AP poll: Whites help McCain to slim lead

You are exactly right. racism still exists in this country. It is really sad. Voters would rather this country go for another 8 years like the last 8 because they won't vote for a black. This election has really brought the racism out in the open. I am a life long Republican. I only listened to Fox News. I had no idea how racist that station was. I had a lot of respect for Hannity. I had no idea what a racist he was. Also O'Reilly. It is one thing for a station to have political views but another to be flat out racist. I am really disappointed in Fox and after the election is over I will never listen to them again.

Republican for Obama/Biden

New Ad for McCain!!!!!

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Obama / Biden "The Odd Coupe"

The choice is clear folks.

John

Can you give some examples of racism coming from Fox?

I hope you are not saying that just not supporting Obama is racist.

So what have you heard them say or do on Fox that was racist? I am sort of doubting you are going to come up with anything.

Is all you think about is money???????????????

Don't you think war is more important than your taxes??? Do you forget that other countries have nuclear weapons, if you keep pushing their buttons you may get a few falling on this soil??? What about the environment??? When all the trees are gone and all our water sources polluted, then tell me what will you do??? I don't think you can live by eating your dollars!! You idiot!

There is not only money in life!!!

When you do, your life will change for the better!!

Proud

Feel free to fade out since you are leaving soon and being French clearly do not share our culture or worldview.

"Obama's baby's mama", "terrorist fist bump", "Hussain Obama".

What do you think that they're trying to imply??

Proud

I agree with your comment on money, by the way.

And if you read my post carefully, I was talking about GIVING money not clinging to it or taking.

Apparently the DEM ticket does not share my view of giving.

Rational poster said "Suddenly, part of the world JUST came into focus for me."

That is very good, at least part of the world is in focus for you, Judging from your posts the better part of the world still is very much out of focus for you.

2 words: tax loopholes
That's why repugs give anything away, so they can decrease the amount of taxes they pay. BTW, Did you know if the rich make a bad investment, they can recoup their money over a few years from the IRS? Can you?

McCain did not really donate to charity anyway. His money went to the colleges his own children attend to secure their positions there despite, if their parents are any indication, their poor academic showing.

The McCains have a fortune exceeding 100 million dollars, mostly inherited..

The Obamas have made 3 to 4 million in sales of his book (which Barack Obama wrote himself). By McCain's own estimate, (they have less than $5 million) they are only lower middle class. With two young kids to care for and their future to secure, they can't spare much. Besides their work is helping people for NO PAY. They don't just give, the DO.

The Bidens have a total net worth (including their home) of 150 THOUSAND dollars. They took a mortgage out to put their kids through school! Not many politicians work in D.C. so long without getting rich from taxpayers and lobbyists.

The Obamas and Bidens released their entire tax records for at least this entire century.
The McCains only a couple of pages for 2006 and 2007. First his health records, now this
WHAT ARE THE MCCAINS HIDING? Too much money and too little good health?
John McCain, if it really is country first, go home and rest all week, not just all weekend, maybe then you'll get better, because your third bout with disease could be the last and you could leave and even dumber, more oblivious and less able whack-job than yourself in charge of our country's future when we're trying to emerge from the quagmire the other of your kind you're trying to succeed is leaving behind..

Oh and it's the Democrats talking about the petty issues, huh?! Hypocrites.

Enough with Republican lies. Fact , EDUCATED people choose Obama Black, White, Red, Yellow or Purple.

The rich give disproportionately less than any other class in America. This has been proven statistically time after time after time. There are always exceptions, but they are notable because they are exceptions. Don't lay it on little upper-middle class people like Obama to make up the difference because oil and farming and mining and manufacturing billionaires don't pay a dime in taxes or give bupkis to charity. That's definitely ignorant underclass thinking, going after each other because you can't really get a the big guys. Think logically for once.

there will be racism in this country for ever face it its unfortunate but its reality
i am rep. and i will vote for McCain it has nothing to do with black or white
if obama was smart he would of taken Hillary as running mate he had it in the bag but he took biden so that tells me he's not very smart just my opinion

I doubt very seriously that repubs give more to charity than democrats do. They dont like to pay taxes themselves, but dont mind if the poor middle class pay out every dime they make. Repubs say they cut taxes, but all my taxes on all my utility bills have gone up and the cost of all necessities have gone up...and it always happens that way. I am amazed that white people hate black people so much that they would vote in someone who is out to destroy social security. All repubs want to get rid of "entitlement" programs. That was the first thing Bush tackled when he came into office. That showed what his priorties were...and then started the Iraq war. Have you noticed that repubs must always have a war going on? Look to Georgia...the country on the border of Russia for the next confrontation. We trained and encouraged Georgia to attack another country on Russias border. So...Russia sent US a message by invading Georgia. We are deliberately provoking Russia...playing another war game. I am sick to death of hearing about "war". I want to hear other issues discussed...openly. What do the repubs have to hide that they must cover it all up with slander and false accusations? I like the openness of Barak Obama and he is ready to discuss REAL issues that concern ordinary hard working people. (even white people) and yes, I am white. I refuse to judge a man by the color of his skin. For people that all profess to believe in God and are saved, I am quite suprised by the amount of prejudice. I guess Obama's preacher had it right after all, sad to say. As for McCain, he is well past retirement age. His health should be a concern for all and we need change from what we have had.

To my friends on here, don't waste time arguing with these racist McBush lovers. They're just an example of what happens when people like Jesse Helms and Ann Coulter are allowed to breed. If the Republicans win the election, let them enjoy the coming wars and crusades.

The whole truth about the election comes down to this, If Obama wins we can return to sanity and clean up some of the mess of the last 8 years.

If McCain wins, just prepare for WAR. Nuf said.

Is that all you liberals have is that McCain is going to be more of Bush. Each man brings his own direction to the office. No doubt that McCain will follow a Republican stance. But he won't be another Bush. Give it up.

John McCain - All- American F R A U D.

McCain has been trying to ride the 'war hero' routine for years. He thought if he stayed in the Hanoi Hilton longer than anyone else he would be welcomed back to America with a ticker tape parade. But America was tired about Vietnam and didn't feel he was a hero. He has been frustrated ever since. He thought America owed him for being a POW.

Now the ultimate hypocrisy, after saying "he would rather lose the election than lose the war", he has proven he would rather win the election than do what is correct for the country. He has chosen a completely un-qualified person to be the V.P. He chose her, not because of her qualifications, but because he thinks she will bring the 'women' vote. She has less experience than any other candidate in American history. Would you fell safe with her as the Prez, if McBush dies? This buffoon has shown his true colors, remember this is his first decision as a possible president.

But yet he claims Obama is inexperienced, what a sicko. Retire McBush to the farm, he is done.

Rational Poster -

Biden's hardly in financial standing to give out a bunch of money to charity. He just took out a seond mortgage on his house and his wife's a teacher. He's not exactly rolling around in dough.

Enough with Republican lies. Fact , EDUCATED people choose Obama Black, White, Red, Yellow or Purple.

Enough with Liberal lies. People voting for Obama are doing so because they like his free concerts, free beer and pretty feel-good speeches.

FACT:

After November 4, 2008 the pretty speeches, the free concerts and free beer will be over with No matter if Obama wins or not.

Rational Poster

So I guess you gave more right, the problem with charities are simple they don't have any concept on how to manage money and will always have their hand out for more and more, now if your stupid enough to keep giving your money to charities that's you, don't criticize others that don't conform to your ideals every one is different.

And you think the government has any idea on how to manage money? lol

If he were white, this would be over.

All that talent, all that charisma and all that intelligence. If he were white, McCain would be bucking for a cabinet post at best. "JFK" would escape the lips of Americans without hesitation. If, he were a white Christian male, just as attractive with just as much presence, saying exactly the same things and landing precisely where he does on every single issue, next. If he were white. We'd be all but finished here.

Race in your face.

This sucks. The GOP is lying to you so hard, with such desperation. If you buy it, we are laughing at you. Like hyenas, we stare and point and you wonder if the monkey is you or them. If that happens, understand you might be a redneck. Or gullible enough to be flirting with retardation. By the way, the monkey is you and them.

Enough with Liberal lies. People voting for Obama are doing so because they like his free concerts, free beer and pretty feel-good speeches.

I am voting for Obama because he is a rational, intelligent man that will try and lead this country in a new direction...I don't expect a free ride and neither do any of the people that are supporting him.

The repugs on the other hand expect more of the same...unfortunately only the rich will get richer and the poor will become poorer and continue to grow in number under McBush.

If he was white he would have never beaten Hillary.

Don't be too sure...she ran a very lousy campaign.

rational poster
you and your wife lieing you both do not give 12% in donations
gov.35% plus 12% e/ 47% what are you living on

If he was white you wouldn't be making an issue about race.

Mia,

I fairly positive she would have won. Why? Because the vote was very close (even though she ran a bad campaign). If Obama had not carried the black vote by such a large amount and I don't think a white jr senator would have received that many black votes over a clinton.

Also, your comment about rich being able to recoup a bad investment. Anyone can. It is called a capital loss carryover if you don't use the loss in the year it happens.

calis,

How did you get the 35% for rational poster. I don't see anything here saying he is in the highest tax bracket?

No only the rich can recoup a capital loss...how many poor people would know about it or have the means for hiring an accountant or cpa??

FYI - Before Bill opened his mouth and stuck his foot in it...Hillary was receiving a majority of the black vote. Also, you act like his getting the black vote is a bad thing...all these years only white men have been able to run...I didn't hear anyone complaining about how they were receiving 95% of the white vote. Why shouldn't black people be proud of him??

Calis

Thanks for asking good question. My numbers are right off my tax form..

Here is what we have taught our children.

The first 10% of take-home goes to the Lord (or some other charity of your choice)
The second 10% of take-home goes to savings for retirement
Live on the remaining 80%. That has worked our entire life at a wide range of income levels. This will work for EVERYONE other than the poorest among us.

For the other posters that were so critical, I was not comparing Biden to McCain in terms of income and giving, I was comparing Biden to our household and lots of folks like us.

For all the LIB talk of compassion, there are not many crumbs coming off the Biden table.

Mia, you are wrong about only the rich recouping a capital loss. Someone does not have to go to a cpa or an accountant. How about going to places like H & R Block or Jackson Hewitt. They would know about it because it is in their software. Plus if they are poor or old AARP has tax preparers who would know about it.

Next, you prove my point about Hillary. If Obama was not black, Bill would never had made the statement in SC about Jackson. Thus Hillary would have continued to get a lot of black votes over a "white" jr senator. She would have won. I also am not saying his getting the black vote is a bad thing. But NO DEMOCRAT running for pres has received such a large percentage of the black vote. It is normally split among the 2 or 3 leading people.

RATIONAL POSTER you did not included IRS,State, and LOCAL Tax, please I am a republican, the comments from some of the blog, why is it that we can not have a conversations on what we are facing in the years ahead, for the future of our family and children

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ABOUT SARAH PALIN

I am a resident of Wasilla, Alaska. I have known Sarah since 1992. Everyone here knows Sarah, so it is nothing special to say we are on a first-name basis. Our children have attended the same schools. Her father was my child's favorite substitute teacher. I also am on a first name basis with her parents and mother-in-law. I attended more City Council meetings during her administration than about 99% of the residents of the city.

She is enormously popular; in every way she's like the most popular girl in middle school. Even men who think she is a poor choice and won't vote for her can't quit smiling when talking about her because she is a "babe".

It is astonishing and almost scary how well she can keep a secret. She kept her most recent pregnancy a secret from her children and parents for seven months.

She is "pro-life". She recently gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby. There is no cover-up involved, here; Trig is her baby.

She is energetic and hardworking. She regularly worked out at the gym.

She is savvy. She doesn't take positions; she just "puts things out there" and if they prove to be popular, then she takes credit.

Her husband works a union job on the North Slope for BP and is a champion snowmobile racer. Todd Palin's kind of job is highly sought-after because of the schedule and high pay. He arranges his work schedule so he can fish for salmon in Bristol Bay for a month or so in summer, but by no stretch of the imagination is fishing their major source of income. Nor has her life-style ever been anything like that of native Alaskans.

Sarah and her whole family are avid hunters.

She's smart.

Her experience is as mayor of a city with a population of about 5,000 (at the time), and less than 2 years as governor of a state with about 670,000 residents.

During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign.

Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a "fiscal conservative". During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%. This was during a period of low inflation (1996-2002). She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents.

The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren't enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for? Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn't even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.

While Mayor, City Hall was extensively remodeled and her office redecorated more than once.

These are small numbers, but Wasilla is a very small city.

As an oil producer, the high price of oil has created a budget surplus in Alaska. Rather than invest this surplus in technology that will make us energy independent and increase efficiency, as Governor she proposed distribution of this surplus to every individual in the state.

In this time of record state revenues and budget surpluses, she recommended that the state borrow/bond for road projects, even while she proposed distribution of surplus state revenues: spend today's surplus, borrow for needs.

She's not very tolerant of divergent opinions or open to outside ideas or compromise. As Mayor, she fought ideas that weren't generated by her or her staff. Ideas weren't evaluated on their merits, but on the basis of who proposed them.

While Sarah was Mayor of Wasilla she tried to fire our highly respected City Librarian because the Librarian refused to consider removing from the library some books that Sarah wanted removed. City residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin's attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter. People who fought her attempt to oust the Librarian are on her enemies list to this day.

Sarah complained about the "old boy's club" when she first ran for Mayor, so what did she bring Wasilla? A new set of "old boys". Palin fired most of the experienced staff she inherited. At the City and as Governor she hired or elevated new, inexperienced, obscure people, creating a staff totally dependent on her for their jobs and eternally grateful and fiercely loyal--loyal to the point of abusing their power to further her personal agenda, as she has acknowledged happened in the case of pressuring the State's top cop (see below).

As Mayor, Sarah fired Wasilla's Police Chief because he "intimidated" her, she told the press. As Governor, her recent firing of Alaska's top cop has the ring of familiarity about it. He served at her pleasure and she had every legal right to fire him, but it's pretty clear that an important factor in her decision to fire him was because he wouldn't fire her sister's ex-husband, a State Trooper. Under investigation for abuse of power, she has had to admit that more than 2 dozen contacts were made between her staff and family to the person that she later fired, pressuring him to fire her ex-brother-in-law. She tried to replace the man she fired with a man who she knew had been reprimanded for sexual harassment; when this caused a public furor, she withdrew her support.

She has bitten the hand of every person who extended theirs to her in help. The City Council person who personally escorted her around town introducing her to voters when she first ran for Wasilla City Council became one of her first targets when she was later elected Mayor. She abruptly fired her loyal City Administrator; even people who didn't like the guy were stunned by this ruthlessness.

Fear of retribution has kept all of these people from saying anything publicly about her.

When then-Governor Murkowski was handing out political plums, Sarah got the best, Chair of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission: one of the few jobs not in Juneau and one of the best paid. She had no background in oil & gas issues. Within months of scoring this great job which paid $122,400/yr, she was complaining in the press about the high salary. I was told that she hated that job: the commute, the structured hours, the work. Sarah became aware that a member of this Commission (who was also the State Chair of the Republican Party) engaged in unethical behavior on the job. In a gutsy move which some undoubtedly cautioned her could be political suicide, Sarah solved all her problems in one fell swoop: got out of the job she hated and garnered gobs of media attention as the patron saint of ethics and as a gutsy fighter against the "old boys' club" when she dramatically quit, exposing this man's ethics violations (for which he was fined).

As Mayor, she had her hand stuck out as far as anyone for pork from Senator Ted Stevens. Lately, she has castigated his pork-barrel politics and publicly humiliated him. She only opposed the "bridge to nowhere" after it became clear that it would be unwise not to.

As Governor, she gave the Legislature no direction and budget guidelines, then made a big grandstand display of line-item vetoing projects, calling them pork. Public outcry and further legislative action restored most of these projects--which had been vetoed simply because she was not aware of their importance--but with the unobservant she had gained a reputation as "anti-pork".

She is solidly Republican: no political maverick. The State party leaders hate her because she has bit them in the back and humiliated them. Other members of the party object to her self-description as a fiscal conservative.

Around Wasilla there are people who went to high school with Sarah. They call her "Sarah Barracuda" because of her unbridled ambition and predatory ruthlessness. Before she became so powerful, very ugly stories circulated around town about shenanigans she pulled to be made point guard on the high school basketball team. When Sarah's mother-in-law, a highly respected member of the community and experienced manager, ran for Mayor, Sarah refused to endorse her.

As Governor, she stepped outside of the box and put together of package of legislation known as "AGIA" that forced the oil companies to march to the beat of her drum.

Like most Alaskans, she favors drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. She has questioned if the loss of sea ice is linked to global warming. She campaigned "as a private citizen" against a state initiaitive that would have either a) protected salmon streams from pollution from mines, or b) tied up in the courts all mining in the state (depending on who you listen to). She has pushed the State's lawsuit against the Dept. of the Interior's decision to list polar bears as threatened species.

McCain is the oldest person to ever run for President; Sarah will be a heartbeat away from being President.

There has to be literally millions of Americans who are more knowledgeable and experienced than she.

However, there's a lot of people who have underestimated her and are regretting it.

CLAIM VS FACT
•"Hockey mom": true for a few years
•"PTA mom": true years ago when her first-born was in elementary school, not since
•"NRA supporter": absolutely true
•social conservative: mixed. Opposes gay marriage, BUT vetoed a bill that would have denied benefits to employees in same-sex relationships (said she did this because it was unconsitutional).
•pro-creationism: mixed. Supports it, BUT did nothing as Governor to promote it.
•"Pro-life": mixed. Knowingly gave birth to a Down's syndrome baby BUT declined to call a special legislative session on some pro-life legislation
•"Experienced": Some high schools have more students than Wasilla has residents. Many cities have more residents than the state of Alaska. No legislative experience other than City Council. Little hands-on supervisory or managerial experience; needed help of a city administrator to run town of about 5,000.
•political maverick: not at all
•gutsy: absolutely!
•open & transparent: ??? Good at keeping secrets. Not good at explaining actions.
•has a developed philosophy of public policy: no
•"a Greenie": no. Turned Wasilla into a wasteland of big box stores and disconnected parking lots. Is pro-drilling off-shore and in ANWR.
•fiscal conservative: not by my definition!
•pro-infrastructure: No. Promoted a sports complex and park in a city without a sewage treatment plant or storm drainage system. Built streets to early 20th century standards.
•pro-tax relief: Lowered taxes for businesses, increased tax burden on residents
•pro-small government: No. Oversaw greatest expansion of city government in Wasilla's history.
•pro-labor/pro-union. No. Just because her husband works union doesn't make her pro-labor. I have seen nothing to support any claim that she is pro-labor/pro-union.

WHY AM I WRITING THIS?

First, I have long believed in the importance of being an informed voter. I am a voter registrar. For 10 years I put on student voting programs in the schools. If you google my name (Anne Kilkenny + Alaska), you will find references to my participation in local government, education, and PTA/parent organizations.

Secondly, I've always operated in the belief that "Bad things happen when good people stay silent". Few people know as much as I do because few have gone to as many City Council meetings.

Third, I am just a housewife. I don't have a job she can bump me out of. I don't belong to any organization that she can hurt. But, I am no fool; she is immensely popular here, and it is likely that this will cost me somehow in the future: that's life.

Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship.

Fifth, I looked around and realized that everybody else was afraid to say anything because they were somehow vulnerable.

CAVEATS

I am not a statistician. I developed the numbers for the increase in spending & taxation 2 years ago (when Palin was running for Governor) from information supplied to me by the Finance Director of the City of Wasilla, and I can't recall exactly what I adjusted for: did I adjust for inflation? for population increases? Right now, it is impossible for a private person to get any info out of City Hall--they are swamped. So I can't verify my numbers.

You may have noticed that there are various numbers circulating for the population of Wasilla, ranging from my "about 5,000", up to 9,000. The day Palin's selection was announced a city official told me that the current population is about 7,000. The official 2000 census count was 5,460. I have used about 5,000 because Palin was Mayor from 1996 to 2002, and the city was growing rapidly in the mid-90's.

Anne Kilkenny

I do not believe we will have another 8 years of anything if McCain/Palin are elected to govern!
September 11, happened just a few months after the Clinton's left office! Bush had to clean up the mess left , because Bill Clinton FAILED to act.

Stop acting like the Republicans are these war mongers, when in fact they have NEVER allowed another terrorist the opportunity to harm our precious people as they did September 11, 2001! Tell me do you tuck your children into bed each night, do they eat three meals a day, and do you all have heat in the winter and air condition in the summer? Do you look out your kitchen window and see men with weapons aiming at one another? This is because Bush,Thank God had the for site to take the war to them!
Why not spend your opinion-giving day looking up who owns the media outlets, starting with Newsweek, and the New york times, the Then check out Msnbc, and CBS. Our Country is being continuously fed lies about itself to make us lose hope. Wake up!

phantom-396954,

Your point is still not proven because had her campaign been so strong she would not have been so easily usurped by a jr. senator no matter the color of his skin. Also, she did not pull out her SEXIST card until she began to lose. Yes their numbers were close...if you do not count the caucus states.

Go to poor areas and ask people if they go to AARP or H & R Block to have their taxes done, you may find that very few of them even know about such places. Plus the more complicated the tax return the greater the cost...

Before Bill opened his mouth and stuck his foot in it...Hillary was receiving a majority of the black vote.

Actually, blacks just didn't think Obama could win. Once Obama won Iowa, they started hastening to the Obama camp in large numbers.

But polls, particularly since Obama's win in the Iowa caucuses, indicate that black voters are breaking increasingly for the Illinois senator, a trend that bodes well for his candidacy if his campaign can get African-Americans to the ballot boxes.

In blacks, Obama seeks untapped well of support

A survey taken late last month for CBS found that nearly 40% of black voters in South Carolina believed the country was not "ready to elect a black president," compared with 34% of whites – a sentiment that Obama aides viewed as a far greater impediment to his election than flat-out racism among those who would never vote for him anyway.

The campaign has spent months trying to address these fears, using surrogates such as Obama's wife, Michelle.

For black skeptics, Obama cites Iowa

Mia,

Over 50% of H & R Block's tax returns are either 1040EZ or 1040A (the 2 short forms). I think that if you would go to poor areas that you would find both Block and Jackson Hewitt stores there. Next, lots of poor people go to these 2 places to get the Earned Income Tax Credit which gives a refund of over $4,000 even though the person pays NO federal income tax. I can guarantee that most working poor with children (either married or single) know about EITC. Next, most poor would not have capital losses to write off anyway but IF they did they would be allowed to do it. Since a family of 4 (2 parents with 2 kids under 17) pay no federal income tax until they make over $40,000 then it is kind of a moot point. This tread started when you said that the rich could recoup losses on bad investment. I said everyone can. That is the truth and the tax law. You then went off on a tangent about how the poor are too stupid to know about it and too stupid to find the company that does more tax returns than any other company in the US or the number 2 company.

Why do you think that the poor are so dumb? Sounds like a bit of liberal snobbery.

how much did you give or give of your time, shame on you-he who has the least can afford to give and get back, if this is the reason for shareing.

No they won't and McCain will probably win. It is sad but one of the biggest organizations that is still preaching this hate and racism is our very churches that are holier than thou. Dr. Dobson, who I used to have a lot of respect for actually praying for it to rain on Obama's speech. Don't these religous people have any shame? I have become a agnostic because if there was a God up there he would send a lightning bolt down to hit these heathen christians that preach all of this hate.
Palin's church is a good example. Her church hates Jewish people. Don't hear much of that on the news but we hear all about Rev Wright on the news. What he said was true. We are a country of racists.

Yap! more like pastor Wright and Co.

John

If you are going to continue to claim "racism" that is a serious claim.

You need to share specifics or we must point the finger back at you here for being inflammatory.

There was a report done because for the first time Unions are having a hard time getting their people to back the Democratic nominee. The said that 5% surveyed would not vote for a black man. 20% said that they knew someone that would not vote for a black man.

John-362157 - Of course you are going to turn to race - Obama's entire career is on built on race baiting - from his start in "community organizing" - which we still don't konw what that entailed other than it was for the good of the community. REv Wright for 20 yers, and the primaries was an excercise in racial politics that will be studied for years. Bottom line - We are all concerned about HOW that plays into Obama's "change." and Maybe simplifying everything to racism isn't doing you or our cause any good. Its probably more complicated than you can comprehend.

I suppose those racist white ministers, who put a lot of race baiting out there, don't count. Put on your pillow case and go to you rally, where your lies are accepted as truth.

For the rest of us: DON'T BE DISCOURAGED!
Every four years, the media pulls this act, to discourage the people who really care about this country from voting, leaving the lemmings who vote without knowing what they're voting for and the losers who vote their hatred to choose who runs our country. NOT AGAIN! Or, as Obama puts it, ENOUGH!
Register, vote, and make a change for yourself, so that we can
be proud of the progress we will make and how we will improve our country. Let's not let them take this election without a fight. NO MORE MORONS IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!

So I guess we will never have a Black woman President since I never heard a poll or question raised about who Black woman are voting for.

"My heart sort of runs with McCain and my mind probably tends to run toward Obama," said David Scorup, 58, a county government official in Othello, Wash. "I think I resonate more with McCain."
Says it all. Do not listen to your brain vote with your heart. Should be the other way around.

When the dust clears even with little support from the people he wants to help most Obama will prevail. If McCain did not go up over 9 points when this little bump was over he was going to lose. After his apperance on the View and hers on the "Inteview" they are hopeless.

john it seems to me you are a very angry black man ?
and if McCain does win which i hope he does there's always Canada or Mexico if you don't like living in the greatest country in the world!!!

Wow Brenda, are you sure that all black women are voting for Obama? I could have sworn I saw like 10 black people at the RNC and at least 4 of them were black women, LOL!!!
But on the serious side, your comment "ask them why they are voting for obama, any of them, and they will NOT be able to discuss anything that obama says he wants to do for this country. they havent got a clue. i have to laugh everytime i hear rthem talk amongst themselves but loud enough for me to hear and im talking about black women in governement jobs!"

is hilarious, I can't speak for them, but I knew about Barack before he decided to run for President. I wrote two papers on him for my undergraduate degree that talked about his life and how I was inspired by him and his education, thoughtfulness when it came to making a difference in the community and his desire for public service over his own personal gain.

I am an informed voter and I listen to both sides and weigh/research their points to see if it makes sense. So far, this campaign has been frought with so much mudslinging - mainly from the Right that its pretty hard to see where McCain't is coming from. A long time ago, I would have considered voting for McCain - back when he really was a Maverick and Moderate, now with his cycling back on his principles in order to ignite his party - such as with his choice of a distraction for his running mate, I am sorry but I just can't afford to make that choice not after the last 8 years and how much is at stake.

Granted, whomever get's into the Oval Office will have plenty of advisors to help them through some decisions. But I am sorry, I would like the POTUS to be intelligent enough to sift through the information and humble enough - as Barack has been, to admit when something they initally opposed turned out not to be the best idea.

This current administration has done none of the above...they refuse to own up to mistakes, avoid court supboena's to testify for their mistakes (Rove) and go about like business is usual. I am sorry, I cannot afford 4 more years of this foolishness. Meanwhile the gap between the have's and have not's grows bigger by the day.

We as American's can be very, very selfish when it get's right down to the nitty gritty. I have watched people on this board go back and forth about 95% of blacks voting for Barack as clearly being racist...my question is, looking at history and who primarily dominates this country and its purse strings, and with the recent poll information that shows majority of whites voting McCain/Palin...who is really racist now then? More than who is racist, who is paranoid that their own selfish hatred toward any person of color just might come back to bite them if they vote a Black man in to the Big House...as the saying goes, "As a man thinketh..."

And by the way, don't miss this comment, black people have been voting Democrat for a long, long time - and the last time I checked our last person voted in was not black (Bill Clinton).

I'm middle class and his ideas are nowhere close to what I believe!

And I can say that ALL the Black women I asked, excluding those I work with, were voting for Hillary. I'm very tired of the people who overheard the Blacks they worked with and then based their opinion about ALL Blacks.

Maybe these people you are quick to call racists just like Mccain-Palin better than they like Obama for reasons other than what you would term "racist". Maybe they think this is the best ticket to lead the country. Maybe they like their overall philosophy and their leadership style. Maybe they have formed their own opinions of the situation. Why does a decision to not support Obama-Biden mean that the voter is now a racist?

Hi Equalizr,

It does not automatically qualify anybody as a racist just because they do not support a candidate who happens to be an opposite color. In fact, as much as anybody tries to deny, psychologically speaking people tend to gravitate to those to share certain qualities that they find within themselves. People also tend to feel more comfortable with people who share the same appearance (and culture) as themselves because upon first deduction, they automatically assume that the person identifies with their struggles.

In pscyhology, it is called "sterotyping" which is not bad - initially as it is the way that all humans begin to take in information about people and things around them. It becomes ignorant when after the stereotype has been proven wrong, the person refuses to self-evaluate their initial reaction to the subject thereby using reason and logic.

Too often, we in this country, live and die by stereotypes and will not apply reasoning and logic to our decisions. It is this that keeps us divided in the end. Most everybody in this country wants a prosperous, if not comfortable life for their children and themselves. Most all of us in this country believe in working hard for what we receive and do not want our hard earned wages taken away for wasteful spending reasons, most all of us want to hold ourselves and our children in moral esteem and want the best for our society.

However, we are so mobilized by appearances, we get distracted by the real issues at hand. I am sorry but I find the McCain/Palin ticket to be very scary. After watching ad after ad of blatant slander come from their camp, watching the RNC where they lied to the American people saying that the other party wants to raise our taxes (ALL OF US) for the heck of it and want more control and seeing how their faulty trickle-down economics has failed over the past 8 years, I cannot afford to make the mistake of given them another chance.

Even if you look at this premise alone, they had 8 years to get it right and they didn't dude. No, everything Bush did was not all wrong, but the glaring mistakes are burnt in my memory and far outweigh the benefits at this point. So far, McCain has not told me yet what he will do that is different. I don't care if I made 350K per year, if they took 35% of my salary in taxes versus 30% but my neighbor down the street didn't lose their home, it would be worth it!

All the Obama supporters are trying to get reasonable, thinking people to see, is that you should not be fooled by appearances. You may think that just because the McCain/Palin ticket resembles your color, creed or culture, that they have your best interest at heart. Do not be fooled, for if you are the working middle class, I hate to break the bad news to you but in the carefully deducted opinion of most who have been watching, the McCain/Palin ticket does not and will not put you first...regardless of your race/heritage.

Can any of you repugs out there tell me what the McCain/Palin platform is...other than more wars. They have been talking lipstick, about being "ready to lead", making fun of community organizers, etc. But somewhere along the line they forgot to tell us what they are for...I guess 4 more years is are all about.

I know what Obama's platform is. Change!

Here it is. Most Republicans are white and religious. Anyone can say it is not so but all we have to do is look at the RNC. Now with that said most of these people will do more than say they will vote that is they will actually vote. Some minorities do not think they will make a difference or have been oppressed so long they do not think they have a say. One of my Republican friends said "All Democrats are poor, a day away from jail, or uneducated." I looked at him and said I was now a Democrat. His salary five figures does not really come up to my six but he got the idea. Times are changing. People are going to come out to vote because they are tired of being sold lemons based on prolife and antigay stance which won Bush his election. White religious voters actually thought Bush would follow through on his pitch and complained a month later as he did NOTHING. Yes you all remember and if you do not get a TV. The Repubs who want quotes or citations here need to open their eyes and ears it is everywhere. Mccain voted for prochoice: stem cell research. Voted against VA and troop support. Earmarks are his middle name. It is all out there on the internet and it will lead to Obama's win.

phantom-396954 -

At least he didn't steal it...just shows what type of person McCain is...can't come up with a campaign slogan...steal the other guys even if there is no logical basis for McCain to use it. He should really adopt "McCain 4 more years of the same...and worse" because that is what his campaign is all about. I watched Ms Sarah's first national interview...more painful to watch than the RNC LIES - oops, I meant convention. Not only does she not know anything, most of what she said is diametrically opposed to his "maverick" self-portrait.

I thought Hillary's campaign had been badly run until I saw McCain's...I guess that's what happens when you pull a vp out of your a--hole.

Mia,

First, I am not a McCain supporter. However, if his campaign is being run so poorly then why is he ahead in most of the polls? The fact is that with the near total dislike of President Bush and the shape of the economy (as reported in the press) Obama should be up double digits. This should be a slam dunk victory for the Dems this year. I do not know who will win but it will be a very close election like the last 2.

I have been researching on my own. McCain is only up with White Male voters. The article is misleading because it doesn't cover the complete Demographic. Obama does have a 2 to 1 lead on the economic issues. He has a 3 to 1 lead with newly registered voters.

Tony,

Overall, most polls show that McCain is ahead of Obama. It does not matter how it is broken up. The bottom line is that right now (and it will change) McCain is leading just like before the 2 conventions Obama was leading. Actually McCain is up with both white males and white females. But all of this means nothing. It is just for the news people to have something to write about. There is only 1 poll that matters and that will happen in Nov. Who will win? I don't know but I do think it will be very close.

That is false about McCain being ahead. Right now it is close there is even an article in NewsWeek that says there tied at 46% each. The media that says McCain is ahead is only reporting Targeted Polls. Take VA if Hampton votes Dem and Richmond votes REP they report only the Richmond results. This way they can't be caught in a lie but they misrepresent the facts by living out information.

Tony, here are the recent poll results.

Gallup, Rasmussen, Fox, AP, ABC, USA Today and CBS all have McCain up.

Hotline and NBC have Obama up.

Newsweek and NBC show a tie.

Of the 11 polls 4 use Likely voters and 7 use registered voters. All 4 of the LV pools show McCain up.

Thus, 7 polls for McCain, 2 for Obama and 2 ties.

That was my point. Depending on who's poll your looking at you get different results. The race is very close and the poll results can be fixed to say what you want them to. Did Hotline and NBC hire the same company to conduct the polls? What determines a Likely Voter? Do you no anyone that was a part of these polls because I sure didn't get asked?

I have been registered as and IDEP for 22 years. Served my Country and was injured doing so. During that time I followed the Lawful Orders of my Commanders but was taught not to do so blindly. If 1 poll shows McCain up and the other shows Obama is up then they both can't be right unless they are using targeting to report only what they want you to know. We can't say they lied but there not showing the full picture either.

Actually I got called once this year. Didn't help either since I told them I wasn't going to vote for either. I did, however, tell them that I would vote since I have always voted. Thus I would guess that I would fall into the LV pile.

No! But I am sure you are.

So if you vote for Obama because he's black and I vote for McCain because he's white, am I the only racist in the room?

This country is becoming dumber and dumber...

We care about the intelligence, the competence, the dedication, the experience and the wisdom in our leaders. This is what we care about!! and you should too! the rest does not matter!!

Proud

How did that diplomacy strategy work out for you with the Germans in WWII?

It could be that 95% of black voters are smart enough to know a great presidential candidate when they see one. Of course heaven forbid anyone should give black folks credit for being smart now huh? Everyone knows they're ignorant, right?

The fact is that as sad as it is there are still some people in America who, as much as they agree with him, can not bring themselves to vote for a black man.

The point of the article is that with the shape of the economy, being lied to about Iraq, etc.... How could anyone in their right mind vote the same people into office???

To all of you McCain supporters: Educate us. Explain to us how you can vote against your own economic well being over and over??? What is it in YOUR head that makes you choose to vote against yourselves, your children, your country???

Why did you vote for Bush in 2000? What possible could have made you vote for him in 2004? How can you even consider casting your vote for the same political party that has pillaged the country for 8 years???

rational poster... you need to change your name because you are not rational!!

germany was lead by fascists who wanted to control the world just like Bush/cheney.. these people are not republicans, they are fascists!

I call that 95% of Blacks that vote for Democrats anyway.

proudliberal,

Europeans are by far MORE racist than Americans. To claim otherwise is to lie.

Europeans may be far more liberal minded regarding drugs and sex, but when it comes to race, they are far more racist.

lottapaws you are wrong. Judging people by the color of their skin is mostly an American thing. Other country are racist based on religion, politics, economic standing, or because the person is from another country...but not color.

Obama is an American from a middle-class christian family. 95% of the country should see him as one of them.

When my friend's son was in 1st grade he came home and told his mom that there were only three other "white" kids in his class. The joke was that one of the kids was black, but because he spoke English he was "considered white".

"However, there is a large number of CLOSET RACISTS hidden among the Caucasian population in the USA"

how did you conclude that from his comment?

You are just blowing smoke

I am from europe so I will tell you!! We are not racist because of skin color. Period!!

There is a very big difference with what you call racist in europe. We do not accept other cultures trying to change our way of life and our culture on our own land ! also if people cannot adapt to the culture of the country they choose to live in, then they should go back home!! I do not think this is rascim it is just common sense.

So for all the ones who claim europeans are racists, check your facts before you open your ignorant mouth!

brenda-311995
You see, you are the kind of people I despise..
You are the most racist in the industrilized world, You, are even racist toward people because they have an accent!! I as a white female have experienced your racism too many times! I have been insulted, looked under etc...
I no longer can stand the bigotry and the stupidity of people like you. this is why I am leaving!

Looks like a lot of these posters would have been a willing brigade for the Nazi's during WWII.

John! John!!; You; like most Libra are missing the point as this goes to the core of those proclaiming CHANGE but, shouldn't change actually begin at home? In the Obama / Biden stump speeches, they are proclaiming to be thy brothers keeper but I guess they will only do that with other peoples money!. What is wrong with putting your money where your mouth is or, better said; where your heart is. Again, in this, the McCain's came out on top.

My decision who to vote for was made long ago.

Biden's tax returns JUST got released and I was SHOCKED!

All this talk on here about "caring DEMs" and "selfish REPs" and BIDEN gives less than $2000 TOTAL in a three-year period.

Me thinks there is a lot of bull spoken here.

What do you d a m n care about what they give to charity??? Do you ever think that they may be giving more than money, like example their time?

Obama or Biden, donot have the hundreds of millions the MC cains have... of course they can afford to give... but you know what what ever they give, I never saw a dime, exept when I go for a check up at Planned parent hood.

I am NOT voting for McCain because Obama is black. Bring on Colin Powell or Condi Rice and either has my vote.

Oh John...you poor, misguided soul. Obama and Biden claim to be for the working class. The folks who live from paycheck to paycheck, the folks you rely on foodstamps to make ends meet...the people who can't afford to daycare. Yet when it comes to their own actions, they don't give to these people. They just want everyone else to. It has nothing to do with black or white. And I don't see a single person here claiming that people who don't vote for McCain are racist because he's white.

It's just a tax return. Charitable donations deduct from your gross to lower your taxes. Did it ever occur to anyone that they just don't ask for receipts for every donation and charitable contribution?

Biden had to take out a second mortgage on his home to put his kids through college. Obama has two little kids to care for. Quit giving me the "I'm not voting for them because they are not holier than thou" crap. Cindy McCain spent more on her wardrobe for the GOP convention that Biden and his wife made in a year.

Have you seen Cindy McCain's tax returns? No one has, she refuses to release them. Have you seen Palin's tax returns??

The Obama's made over $350,000 in 2004. I looked at our tax returns just for the heck of it. My husband and I had a combined income that year of $161,000.

The Obama's claimed $3,500 in charitable contributions.

We claimed $10,400. It would have been more, had we gotten a reciept everytime.

Obama is supposed to be a caring, giving "worry about the working class" liberal.
I am supposed to be an evil, cold hearted, uncaring, conservative.

Whats wrong with this picture?

Since when has it been so important how much other people give to charity? That's just grasping at straws. If you don't want to vote for Obama/Biden, don't make flimsy excuses and expect others to believe them. I bet if those two, Mc/Pal won, you'd be the first to complain about their toll on your economic well-being.

This country needs to change and give up the ghosts of its racist, hate and bigotry filled history. This is the best time, because is not a black candidate against a white candidate. It's not even the contest between extraordinarily gifted, intelligent, capable candidate with many good ideas on how to bring our country back to great heights of accomplishments, against one who has no real stake in the future no real platform and no understanding of the lives of ordinary Americans. It's how this country needs to grow up and realize that it isn't about the candidates, it's about us and what this country needs.

Mia,
Everyone has an opinion, and you're entitled to yours. But when you call everyone whose not voting for Obama a "racist", I take offense. I'm not voting for Obama because I don't agree with his viewpoints whether they be his social, economic or foreign policy viewpoints. I don't care if he's black, white or green.

As I said in another post, I fail to see how Obama is about 'change'. He's voted with the Democrats 97% of the time and his running mate is a 37 year veteran of the Washington establishment. That's not change.

All of us are going to vote based on what we feel is best for our family, society and country. I am far better off now than I was under Clinton, my taxes are lower, I feel more secure than I did when Clinton was bombing aspirin factories and my kids education has been stepped up a notch.

Rational Poster
I am NOT voting for McCain because Obama is black. Bring on Colin Powell or Condi Rice and either has my vote.

YES i agree bring on someone with brains

Mia

I am just trying to sort out the truth from the BULL.

If Obama and Biden (and many on this board) preach compassion and the needs of many in this world and do not act consistently by giving unselfishly, then I have to call what they are saying about needs and THEIR compassion is pure BULL.

I have never seen so many LIBs scrambling to argue why someone making $250,000 per year would be tight on funds. That was funny.

If as one post suggests, "they didn't keep their receipts", then they are poor managers and don't deserve our vote.

I made a lot less than Biden and gave more than him. I also had 2 kids in college and my wife did not have a job like his. I just guess I must care more for people and manage money better.

When you are out there doing stuff to help others...and not just writing checks, you are kinda excused from giving as much. Also, you cannot write off services provided.

Plus, I noticed that over 80% of McCain's charitable contributions went to the "John and Cindy McCain Family Foundation". Just out of curiosity I looked up the foundation tax return - looks like between them they contributed roughly $176,000 in 2007 of which they then donated $78,250. But considering that John's total income came to $405,000 and Cindy's was over $6million (I guess she must be upper middle class) their contributions came to less than 3% of their total income. Doesn't seem so 'charitable' now does it.

Please note that since Cindy has not yet released her 2007 tax return I am using her numbers from 2006.

Hey; don't forget, they were successful against the Clinton's!

The McCain's camp better not seat on their laurel cos the media can't wait to find an angle to help Obama. Right now, all they have try against Gov. Palin so far have fail but......!

He has defined about $10 in spending for each $1 in revenue he has defined.

That is why 50% of those polled believe Obama means higher taxes.

Propaganda...
What is wrong with socialist countries... Have you ever lived in one?? how would you know???
Again, propaganda!!!!

In my socialist country:
Health care for all, this is why we have a healthy nation
People work less but are more productive than americans
We get minimum 4 weeks paid vacation so we have a better quality of life then most americans
We have good roads, good infrastructures when your bridges are unsafe and collapsing
Every one will get retirement.
We have good social programs for new mothers
Good education for all, every body has to learn 2 languages... How many languages do you speak???

So tell me what is wrong with that??? Oh I know, your argument will be, but you pay more taxes!!! We may pay more taxes, but it is worse it!! What you don't understand is that our taxes come back to us when yours do not !!! Your taxes are going to the military and what does that give you in your personal lives? NOTHING!! Time to stop the paranoia.. it has been going on too long!

There is no perfect systems, but a government has the moral and ethical obligation to do its best for the citizens, or why have a government?

Please stop bashing socialist countries! Socialist countries like norway, sweeden, denmark, the netherlands are where people have the best quality of life and are the happiest!!

Do I have to remind you of all the misery in this country?? You are all brainwashed in believing this is the greatest country in the world where any thing can happen. IT IS NOT!!

Just to give you an example: I have a relative who finished school at the age of 14. He is now one of he director at a very well respected journal and make over 12 000 dollars / month! So just to prove to you that if you work hard and do your job well, you can make it to the top anywhere, not only in this country!

Brainwashing is alive and well even in this capitalistic country!! By the way, where all this capitalism taking you?? no where, just down the drain!!

You cannot have a healthy society without healthy people.

Good for you proud liberal. Well spoken.

Taxes are what pay for our schools, police, fire department, and infrastructure. The GOP have used the "liberals are going to raise your taxes" BS for decades and instead of having a rational thought you run off the cliff like goats.

And the real joke is that when the GOP talks about "lowering your taxes" they're not talking about YOUR taxes, they're talking about their own.

In Japan teaching is one of the highest paid professions; in the USA teaching is one of the lowest paid professions.

All you people can do is claim that Obama is playing the race card while they cry that the media is being so unfair to their poor little girl Palin. I will vote for that ticket when she is willing to answer question on Meet the Press and shows by HER answers and some textbook dialogue they gave her that she is ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. I can't believe people would vote for that ticket instead of for someone who would help turn this country around after 8 years of a failed economy.

Surge? What surge?

I agree @ LU, I can't understand why people complain so much about the taxes except we don't see the benefits from them. They are needed to improve our infrastructure etc. and unfortunately, while Bush was sending us 600.00 tax credits so that some idiots could go out and buy flat screen tv's, most "rational" thinkers were saying, gee, were already Trillions of dollars in debt...who is going to pay for that someday and what pool of money did this rebate come from? And why did that bridge collapse? And when is it going to be us?

Granted, I don't like people garnishing my hard earned money to pay for people who abuse our social system - this is where reform needs to be inserted. But I am level minded enough to know that everyone was not dealt the same hand and that god does not smile on my grumblings when I have not lost my home, I have a decent car and I can put food on the table for my daughter. So I give to those who are less fortunate because the bible told me so!

Good for you, but you should not give because a book of fairy tales told you so, you should give because of your humanity!

I am an atheist and believe me, I give to the most unfortunate when I can.. I would rather help my relative who is in need rather than spending it on things.

First of all Proud, it was a statement - I do not claim a faith because I think that the decision on which of them is right - beyond the normal common denominators (10 commandments) is too hard to perform. Or as in the words of Obama, "above my paygrade."

But I do believe that there is a god and that he wants us to be good to each other. Whatever you believe in, your certainly entitled to, that is one of the beautiful things about this country that some in the Far-Right would like to take away...our ability to think and make our own judgement for our beliefs.

But its not a good idea to insult people's holy books as "fairytales" trust that I know plenty of people who believe the same...but, even if it were true, the offensiveness is not worth the remark. Just sayin dude...

Proud Liberal,

to answer some of your questions.
I have lived in Europe and speak 2 languages. We have retirement here, ever hear of social security? Our unemployment is lower than France's. Our GDP is larger than ANY other country. We are the only super power. France is free and semi socialist because we saved your A** in both WW1 and WW 2. Remember WW 2 where you got your tails kicked in record time? Our taxes go mostly to social programs and our spending on the military is s very small percentage of our very large GDP. Also, I believe that socialist France just elected a conservative to straigthen things out. I also have a relative who makes over $12,000 a month. There main difference is that my relative is RETIRED!
Finally, we are the greatest country in the world which is why the rest of the world looks to us to lead.

Oh, the other language I speak is German. I chose that one because I wanted to speak a language from a country in Europe that normally wins (except against us of course lol)

Funny, dems are saying Palin has Zero experience and could become pres if McCain dies. Yet we know if Obama is elected he has less experience than she does, and he will actually be the president, no speculation or what if's about it. Palin may not be everyhtin I want as far as her some of her more far right positions, and I liked Leiberman. But, she ran an entire state, has an 80% approval rating from her constituents, and is pro offshore drilling and against tax increases on the struggling middle class, who now pay almost forty percent of all income the governments locally and federally.

Mike,
I agree. The country needs a change.
Obama has been running an ad stating that McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time. But Obama's own voting record shows he voted with Democrats 97% of the time.
How is that change?

McCain has picked a running mate that has challenged her own party, taken on Big Oil in a state that relies on oil revenues, and has decresed the spending in her state.

Obama picked a running mate that is a 37 year permanent fixture in the Washington establishment.
How is that change?

Don't you know that democrats are more progressive than republicans.. Just that, means change!
Of course, Obama/Biden record is way better than MC cain/ Palin.... Do you want your kids to go to war?? then vote MC cain.
Do you want Peace and prosperity, then vote Obama/Biden, it is that simple.
I like to remind you all... Palin is a war monger... she already talking about attacking russia... Do you think you are the only ones with nuclear weapons and no one can touch you?? You are dead wrong!! If you keep pushing other countries buttons, they may be the ones who will push on the red button. So it is your choice, people.

"Obama has voted with the Democrats 97% of the time". Did it ever occur to you that the Democrats haven't pushed through any legislation that is detrimental to our Country?? It's not the Democrats' policies that have driven this country into the ground.

I would be more concerned if Obama had voted with Bush 97% of the time.

Get a grip, Proud. Palin didn't say we should go to war with Russia. She said that if Georgia were admitted to NATO we would have an obligation to support them if there were a war between Georgia and Russia. That is an accurate statement.

Would suggest you broaden your resources and stop getting all of your information from just the far left liberal blogs.

It doesn't really matter what she said. It matters that she herself doesn't understand it.

We already had 8 years with a bobble head in the WH. Why four more? Haven't our soldiers and their families suffered enough? Hasn't the economy suffered enough? We don't have the armed forces for more wars, draft, anyone? End of reproductive rights for women, that is, no more Roe v. Wade, morning after pill, and new policies: victims having to pay for their own rape kits, an anti-choice Supreme Corrupt.

But most appalling, the profiteering lobbyist who have run the country into the ground these last eight years and now run the McCain campaign, will still be in charge.

Yes, let's nominate a person that has a VP that doesn't understand or no federal government. You can't change government unless you know the ends and outs. John McCain didn't go against Republicans until it was unpopular.

Ginger, you DO realize you just advocated NOT voting for Barack Obama, right? He doesn't have "federal" experience. He's a STATE senator. And a JR Senator, at that.

He's a STATE senator. And a JR Senator, at that.

He's a United States Senator, not a State Senator. That is a federal post. A State Senator is a Senator that represents a part of his or her state in their state legislature. A United States Senator represents their state at the federal level.

Basic American Civics 101.

Obama picked a running mate that is a 37 year permanent fixture in the Washington establishment.
How is that change?
And just before this another posted about John McCains 30 + years as being a good thing.

Twisted logic which is known to be what trolls do. Argue with themselves.

R. Donald...you are correct. I was wrong and freely admit it. (Hmmmm...haven't seen many admissions of error for the liberals posting here. Have you)

You're right. US Senator. One who has been campaigning for President the majority of his time in office. One who claims 'change' yet keeps moving more and more to the middle, the lower his poll numbers go. One who selected a 37 year veteran of the Washington establishment as a running mate. One who voted party lines 97% of the time. One who is currently begging his constituents for money.

You are absolutely correct. That's exactly what he is.

Pat see this is why the term "uninformed voters" exists. Obama probably did vote with Democrats 97% of the time. The Change argument isn't in the party it's in the issues. THE ISSUES!!!

If the Republicans are for torturing people, I would not want to Obama to vote for it because it's change... that's just dumb. That's just change for the hell of it and that's not what Obama is talking about.

Don't sit up there and spew this crap like you aren't voting for Obama cause he's not for change. That's not the reason...... face it you like low taxes so our bridges fall down killing hundreds... you like levees failing and thousands of people dying. You like it when we torture people, yet turn around and go to church the next day and ask for forgiveness. You like it when we invade countries that didn't attack us, and kill all of their women, children and families and then call it "bringing democracy to the middle east". You like it when banks get bailed out left right and center yet look down on the families that have lost their home to the same people receiving our tax dollars...

Face it you aren't voting for Obama because you just don't care about other people. To you this is a football game.

It is refreshing to see a GOP fan admit that they are wrong. The truth is I respect that more then just about anything. Anyone who is incapable of admitting when they are wrong is not worth talking to.

Still the snide remarks belie your sincerity. Classic GOP.

R Donald,
What did I say that was 'snide'? I stated facts. Obama IS moving more to the middle on the issue the shakier his campaign gets. He DID select a 37 year veteran of the Washington establishment as a running mate. He HAS been running for POTUS most of his time in office. He IS begging his constituents for money and he DID vote along party lines 97% of the time.

So what are you waiting for, to jump on the other side of the fence?

Of course, democrats are better... they are progressive.

Your party is gone! this is not a republican party, it is a fascist party who do not give a d a m n about you or your family... All they want is to control the world. They are pure insanity.

John, where and when did you hear that McCain wants a draft and more war? I've heard the exact opposite from him and I've seen and heard NOTHING to the contrary. However, if you are getting the liberals' talking points, that could be the source of your problem!

Bomb Bomb Bomb Iran. remember that one. Of course he wants one because he is the favorite son of the NeoCons. They backed him in 2000 and through Cheney run the republican party right now and want war with Russia and Iran

lottapaws John, where and when did you hear that McCain wants a draft and more war? I've heard the exact opposite from him and I've seen and heard NOTHING to the contrary. However, if you are getting the liberals' talking points, that could be the source of your problem!

lottapaws, you are either A-insane B-lying C-ignorant or a little of all of them.

John McBush has always been a war hawk and a fraud. If you like wars, vote for him, it is a good time to go to Las Vegas and bet on which war he starts first, the choices are endless. But go fast, it may even start before the election with Bush.

look

How does McCain/Palin scare you?

What issues are important to you?

Rational, the same issues that should concern everyone here, economy, the war in Iraq...and on and on, i do not want a hair braiding, wal-mart mommy in second command. What shall we call her if she did have to ( goddess forbid) be our president....commandress in chieftess?...SCARES THE HELL OUTTA ME!

McCain/Palin scares me because I have seen this before. They make decisions based on loyalty and emotions. Palin is vindictive: see troopergate and librarygate. Palin thinks the war in Iraq is "god's work".

I agree one hundred percent. If they get elected we will be at war with Russia.
Plus they do nothing but lie. Today her administration is trying to stop her husband from being subpeoned in her trooper case. If she has nothing to hide, why is she trying to stop him from testifying? More lies and deceit. During the Repubican convention Bush and McCain were so concerned about the hurricaine. They made a big show. Yet tonight a worse storm is hitting Galveston, and where are they? I guess they are looking for weapons of mass destruction or all the jobs Bush lost or the homes that were forced into foreclosure. I will never vote Republican again.

McCain and Palin act like there is no consequences to waging wars with other countries. I feel that the "Defense" department should be just that: defense, not offense.

I understood going into Afghanistan, everyone understood that. But invading Iraq was wrong. And when a country is wrong it will not be the "winners". No matter how you spin it, or how many times you say "we winning" and "the surge is working", the rest of the world looks at us like we're sick freaks with nucs, which we are.

Carl,
Go to factcheck.org. You'll get some info on the 'librarygate' issue that you mentioned. The widely circulated so called 'list of books' that Palin tried to ban include the first 4 Harry Potter books. Newsflash....those books weren't even published at the time this incident supposedly happened.

People are freaking out that McCain/Palin are leading in the polls. Yet it's Obama's own party that are destroying him with their baseless claims.

DID YOU KNOW THAT BARACK OBAMA'S CORE VALUES AND BELIEFS ARE BASED ON BLACK LIBERATION THEOLOGY?
I can guarantee you Obama Inc. surely isn't marketing this aspect of Barack's life!
As you all know. Barack's biological father, a socialist muslim from whom Barack got his name? Abandoned young Barack. This, obviously, was a scarring incident. And throughout young Barack's youth he was always in search of a father-figure to fill the void. And it was twenty one years ago when Barack did indeed find that father figure - the most influential and pivotal man in young Barack's life - Black Liberation Theologist Reverend Jeremiah Wright.
Has Obama Inc. told you about this man? I don't think so. This is stuff they desperately don't want you to know.
Black Liberation Theologist Jeremiah Wright would become, for twenty years, young Barack's mentor, inspiration, father, and inspiration for Barack's political career. The Junior Senator has written a lot about Wright in his memoirs and it's a public record.
If you don't know what Black Liberation Theology is? And if you don't know who Jeremiah Wright is? This will give you a taste. The video was produced by Jeremiah Wright himself and was on sale at Trinity United Church of Christ. Because of the election? I don't think they're selling these DVDs any more. Obama Inc. is a little smarter than that. Yes. Black Liberation Theology is predicated on the fact that Jesus Christ was a black man struggling against white oppression, as well as other outlandish, very often militant, views:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36T1fnIafC0
Http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbUBTlmAiA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BWWx4Q1VFg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUbUBTlmAiA&feature=related
The Junior Senator? Has denied knowledge of any such sermons. Despite being a Jeremiah Wright disciple for twenty-one years. Despite being married at Trinity United. Despite having his kids baptized there. Despite going to church there. Despite the fact that Trinity United is Barack Hussein's primary church. Despite the fact that DVD's of these sermons can be purchased at Trinity United. Despite the fact that the whole point of Trinity United Church of Christ's whole point is to spread Black Liberation Theology and that's why you'd go there. Despite going to Church there for twenty years. And? Despite being close friends with Jeremiah Wright for twenty years. Barack Obama had absolutly no knowledge of the nature of the church he went to for twenty years nor any knowledge of the true nature of his twenty-year adopted father, Black Liberation Theologist Jeremiah Wright.

I do not care about "harry potter", it is the principle. She fired a librarian because she would not agree to remove ANY books. What is Palin afraid of, ideas that don't mirror her own. She fired the cheif and top state cop w/o considering who was the best for the job of keeping her citizens safe, just whose views mirrorred hers.

Gee US Freedom, that's a pretty racist blog you've written there. What are you afraid of? That black people will take over and treat you the way that you've treated them.

I'm white and I've also studied black history and culture...I've also studies Mexican history and culture, Indian history and culture...even Nazi history and culture.

America is currently most like Nazi history and culture. I used to wonder how the German people could allow the Nazi's to destroy their country..but after what has happened to our country I don't wonder about that any more.

Carl,
(sigh.....) since you're too lazy to get the real story on the Library issue, I guess you need a mean ol conservative to educate you. I apologize in advance as I know the truth will not fit with your comfy, little views, however imbedded in a fantasy world they may be.

Summary
We've been flooded for the past few days with queries about dubious Internet postings and mass e-mail messages making claims about McCain's running mate, Gov. Palin. We find that many are completely false, or misleading.

Palin did not cut funding for special needs education in Alaska by 62 percent. She didn't cut it at all. In fact, she increased funding and signed a bill that will triple per-pupil funding over three years for special needs students with high-cost requirements.
She did not demand that books be banned from the Wasilla library. Some of the books on a widely circulated list were not even in print at the time. The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term.

She was never a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, a group that wants Alaskans to vote on whether they wish to secede from the United States. She's been registered as a Republican since May 1982.

Palin never endorsed or supported Pat Buchanan for president. She once wore a Buchanan button as a "courtesy" when he visited Wasilla, but shortly afterward she was appointed to co-chair of the campaign of Steve Forbes in the state.

Palin has not pushed for teaching creationism in Alaska's schools. She has said that students should be allowed to "debate both sides" of the evolution question, but she also said creationism "doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

As a moderate republican let me explain to you the conservative: I know she didn't ban any books and she asked a hypothetical of the librarian. She was testing her loyalty, the librarian failed and lost her job. It is the principle that you would ever consider getting rid of books and opposing views whatever they may be I know she wasn't AIP but her husband was, I don't care about Buchanan, I don't care if they do teach creationism ( iI have no problem allowing someone to have their view, remember the 1st amendment). And what I also find funny is how thin skinned conservatives are: All these internet rumors have flown about democratic canidates, and you repeat it as fact. The mud flies the other way and you decry the internet and the "biased" media as if Fox news isn't biased.

Those are just about the false crap floating about on the Internet. She did ask the librarian about banning some books the fired her and she was rehired after the town went into an uproar They are trying to cover it up by saying it was a hypothetical question LOL. Pot your email and I will forward all of the derogatory emails I receive about Obama from people. It will fill your mail box. Some are really weird. What people forget is in this information age it is easy to dispute anything in a new York minute on the web. Then again I never believed Obama was an alien in the first place.

Carl,
Show me one instance where I've decried the internet and the bias of the media or stated FOX news was my sole source. Let's not get into a 'lumping everyone into one group' tiff. Shall we?

It wasn't just the Librarian that was fired. It was multiple city leaders and it was all with regard to her city policies.

I noticed you conveniently left out the fact that ALL of these people...including the librarian were reinstated the very next day. Based on that, I suppose I could lump you in with all of the anti-Palin whack-jobs that distort the truth to promote their own agenda? Or would that be the wrong thing for me to do, carl?

"The librarian has said Palin asked a "What if?" question, but the librarian continued in her job through most of Palin's first term."
pat n,
distorting the truth is what you did here, acting like she never fired her. that is a distortion because she did fire her for not going along with her policies, and then reinstated her after there was an uproar from the community. never happened is she never fired her, and it was never an issue. so who is distorting truth now??? i am finding more and more that people on these blogs are just like you, distort the truth for their own benefit, then when someone who is actually educated on the matter speak up, start back tracking and finger pointing. do us all a favor, solemnly swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, or nothing at all

I hope eveyone flags US FREEDOM it is a KKK site. I wonder if the Neocons will, probably not.

You are correct. Well put.

Since Obama is 1/2 black and 1/2 white, does that mean people who vote along color lines will be ripping their ballots in half and vote 1/2 McCain and 1/2 Obama?...hmmmm.

No no no. Whites in general are not Racists. I have had three businesses and all were successful. I am an older man in his 70s with enough money that my kids if they wanted would not have to work if they so chose. I have found one problem with whites and that is they tolerate racism more than they should out of fear. A guy walks up to the cooler tells a racist joke and most of them laugh. To say the ones that did are racists is incorrect. Its like when a black man does the same thing and the blacks in attendance laugh the same is true. You could go on and expand this to include Polish, Jewish, Italian, Latino and all the rest. The problem in America is toleration. This country was founded on the principle of all men are equal. We opened our arms to the world. In Germany Germans live France the same. Here we are a mixture of many races creeds and colors. The only way we can say we are successful is for all of us to coexist as one. To tolerate discrimination is unamerican in my book because if you do you are violating the very tenants this nation was built upon.

Take it from a wise old white man you need to think about what I said here. A long time ago I too was the guy telling the jokes at the water fountain. After my first business venture I learned different. It helped me in my business ventures and certainly in my personal life.

logdump

After some of your posts, I doubted I would ever say this but I passionately agree with your position on racism and how we handle ourselves as individuals matters.

I would be proud to say that I do NOT participate in such objectionable behavior and I have taken steps to stop it.

Well Kate,

I am not miserable, better off now than when Clinton left. Remember, the idiot of Iraq wouldn't let UN inspectors in for years and he attack his own kind, Kuwait. Can't you see something had to be done or would you have rather we waited until he supplied some type of weapons to attack us. Forgot did you? Clinton's cigar scandal. "I did not have sex with that woman." Our oil companies do not hold a candle in terms of proven supplies compared to other countries. Why do you think Obama is full of integrity and vision. Just because he said so. Please.....give us some useful information. I could go on and rebutt all your comments, but why even try. You just hate Bush and thats fine. But please be realistic in your ranting. You know I said before in other post---I throughly disliked Clinton, still do, always will including his wife. But I still respected him as a President.

Not only insane, but brainwashed by Fox news... These medias should be shut down

I guess 8 years of shame has not been enough for them, they want 4 more.. you bet they are insane, insane and dumb!

I would requiere of all media to tell the truth, or they are out of business!

no more lies and manipulation.

It would have been pretty tough for Saddam to supply weapons that HE DID NOT HAVE! And if that is truly a concern why not go after those WHO ACTUALLY ATTACKED THE USA? Why divert from Afghanistan? Why allow the other 2 nations in the "axis of evil" to get off scott free. North Korea has developed a nuke bomb since 9-11, Iran continues work unabated on their nukes and missles. Both of those nations were helped by our "ally" Pakistan, you know that nation where we think Bin Laden is and we know harbors the Taliban, that nation McCain won't allow US military to operate in, the one Charles Gibson asked Palin about and she " hemmed and hawed" her way through the non answer answer. And remind yourselves what Obama said last year about actionable intel inside Pakistan. So don't presume that a republican is better equipped to protect America just because the say they are.

CGCal: Hussain was put into power with the help of the CIA, which was ran by Bush 41 at the time. He was our buddy for years. All of his terrible deeds were done while he was our buddy and we overlooked them. Iraq was also the most progressive Nation in the Middle East. It's the only nation that allows it's woman to have higher education and wear what they want. And frankly, there is very little justification for one country to invade another country; especially when the other country is half a world away. The UN was in Iraq when WE threw them out so that we could invade the country - for no reason. And what was the Bush administration's reply when we found out that we had been lied to? "You believed it". And in a way, they were right. We fell for their stupid lies.

You're better off now than you were during the Clinton era? What do you do for a living? Lobby for the Oil companies? And the fact that you are better off does not excuse the massive debt that the country is experiencing.

And for the record: The GOP lost all rights to criticize Clinton when they allowed McCain to pick his VP based on how much he liked looking at her back side.

Here are a few little facts for the blindly led Obama supporters out there. 1.) Selma got me born...
NOT EXACTLY: your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
(Google 'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and articles about its various untruths.) 2.) My Father Was A Goat Herder . . NOT EXACTLY: he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government. 3.) My Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter . . . NOT EXACTLY: he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had. 4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom . . . NOT EXACTLY: your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out the following link for verification of that and for more. Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and tried to get Sharia Muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the elections, his followers burned Christians' homes as well as men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took refuge. Obama supported his cousin before the election process here started. (Google 'Obama and Odinga') 5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian . . .
NOT EXACTLY: she does her daily Salat prayers at 5 AM according to her own interviews. Christianity would not have supported her being one of 14 wives to 1 man. 6.) My Name is African Swahili . . .
NOT EXACTLY: your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means 'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Barack Hussein Obama is not half black. If elected, he would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side, and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side.
While Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family were mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate states he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to..... 7.) I Never Practiced Islam . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years -- until you changed the year before running for public office.
4-3-08 Article 'Obama was 'quite religious in Islam'' 8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making faces (check your own book). February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a year ago: 'Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as 'one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.' This is just one example of what Pamela is talking about when she says 'Obama's narrative is being altered, enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts.' 9.) I Was Fluent In Indonesian . . .
NOT EXACTLY: not one former teacher says you could speak the language. 10.) Because I lived In Indonesia, I have more foreign experience . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and could not speak the language. 11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs . . .
NOT EXACTLY: except for Africa and the Middle East, you have never been anywhere else on the planet and have NO experience with our closest allies. 12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify. Your classmates said you were just fine. 13.) An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office . . .
NOT EXACTLY: Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist. 14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life . NOT EXACTLY: Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist. 15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 . . .
NOT EXACTLY: here you are, despite saying live on TV that you would not have enough experience by then -- and you are all about 'having experience first '. 16.) Voting 'Present' is Common In Illinois Senate . . .
NOT EXACTLY: common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES. 17.) I Was A Professor Of Law . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE. 18.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE. 19.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it. 20.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass . . .
NOT EXACTLY: it took just 14 days from start to finish. 21.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill . . .
NOT EXACTLY: your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation -- mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came. 22.) I Have Released My State Records . .
NOT EXACTLY: as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, including all the special interests pork hidden within. 23.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself in your books. 24.) My Economics Bill Will Help America . .
NOT EXACTLY: your 111 economic policies were combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill. 25.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois . .
NOT EXACTLY: even your own supporters characterize your actions as careful rather than bold. 26.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year . . .
NOT EXACTLY: they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you after their creation by a fellow Senator, 'to assist you in a future bid for higher office'. 27.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA . . .
NOT EXACTLY: the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them. 28.) I Am Tough On Terrorism . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel. 29.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you passed 26, most of which you didn't write. 30.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you. 31.) I Don't Take PAC Money . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you take loads of it. 32.) I don't Have Lobbyists . . .
NOT EXACTLY: you have 47 lobbyists on staff, and counting. 33.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad . . .
NOT EXACTLY: your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon. 34.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq . .
NOT EXACTLY: you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time.

us freedom,
you are hilarious with all of your "facts". none of the stuff that you put in your blog even matters. even if half of what you said in your rant were true, none of that stuff is relevant to who he is today. this is a ongoing issue that i have seen time and time again used by right wing people, they just dig up all this dirt and try to use it to scare people. use your time and effort for good, stop all the hatred. luckily i am not one who is easily swayed without researching things for myself, but for the many who have changed the polls in the last few days and are very easily swayed, i say shame on you. why not post things to empower people to make an educated decision, with factful information, instead of this slanderous gossip. post mccains platforms on issues that are pertinent to americans, like healthcare, education, the housing crisis, etc. that would help even me out a lot, as i cant seem to find his stance anywhere on most of the issues important to america. once again i say shame on you!!!

please flag US FREEDOM it is the KKK site.

No, the women did NOT destroy McCain. Joy looked like the loud mouth left's puppet that she is and Barbara was simply, Baba WaWa. Whoopi sat with her typical scowl when she isn't able to get her way. McCain came across as solid, knowledgeable, honest and great presidential material. Joy's big contribution was to call McCain a "liar".

McCain came off as a flustered buffoon. In others words, just being himself.

Boy them rose colored glasses really do something to the perception dont they. If Obama could get that fool to go on the View two more times he would destroy himself. That was worse than Palins "Interview"

I want to see Palin have the balls to face the ladies on the View.

A lot of Americans & our troops are voting for Obama, black, white & brown for all the issues --- So what's your point ???

The article talks about segments of the white population. Why not discuss segments of the African American population and their patterns.
A lot of Americans & our troops are voting for Obama. That pretty presumptious to know how people are voting. Even pollsters say that it's just an early indicator. And the real significance to polls is just for campaign strategists to formulate tactics and target groups.
FYI, what percentage of our troops are African American. Do you know?

The main point is that yes some voters will vote for the wrong racist reasons --- and this includes all races. But the overwhelming majority of American voters will vote according to who they believe is the best person for the job. So far, the race from both sides have degenerated into gutter politics. Obama has morphed into Karl Rove. That's why this is such a close race.

Billy, Please don't ASSume you know why Black people are voting for Barack, sure some black people are voting for Barack because of skin color, just like some whites or not voting for him because of his skin color. SAD BUT TRUE. I'm voting for Barack because I feel like he is the best candidate, people kill me with the experience argument, Bush had plenty "experience" and look what mess he made these past 8 years and you expect people black, white, green, or blue to vote for a man who agreed with him 90% of the time Get Real. Common sense: Get some!!!

Billy,,,, Why do you insist on making it a racial issue ??? Are you a racist ??

Everyone knows our troops in Iraq have contributed 6 times more for Obama than McCain, those numbers are not divided by race...... They are well publicized campaign disclosures

I am a person of color. Actually, mixed. Yes, I am a racist. I believe in the human race.
Common sense dictates that these political campaigns are targeting racial groups. Obama is mobilizing the African American vote, for example. McCain is target older white audience.
The poster questioned why voters would not vote for Obama, strongly implying it is because of the color of his skin. To assume that anyone not voting for Obama is a racist is racism.

Yes Blacks are looking at his stance on the issues. The Republicans think they are running in 1958. Yes we Blacks can and do read, we do pay attention to these ads and statements, and personal histories just like everyone else. I voted for Bush twice ( big mistake), and I supprted McCain until very recently. I don't agree with many of Obama's positions on things such as raising corprate taxes ( will negatively impact jobs) oil windfall taxes ( will be passed on to the consumer and why punish a private company for being successful) alternative fuels ( oil used to manufacture ethonal, lack of support for nuclear, which is clean and safe). But my 2 most important issues are the economy and the war on terror. McCain has lost my vote because of HIS stance. He has NO answer or knowledge as to the economy. He was against increasing the benifits in the GI BIll because they were "too generous". And he has no plan to win in Iraq or Afghanistan. Those are my reasons, I'll give you a few of why other Blacks won't vote for him: MLK Jr holiday ( McCain led fifht against it), Confederate flag on S. Carolina statehouse ( McCain for it as "southern heritage") and his family owned slaves and fought for the confederacy.

To be fair; Bush won over Kerry and both were white. It's just hard to believe that anyone would vote for McCain after the last 8 years.

Is it racism? Or is it just good old fashion stupidity??

Billy, if you are truly mixed or person of color as you say, then what you write is purely ignorant:
1. 95% of Blacks have voted for white candidates so was that racism, since to you, 95% of Blacks voting for a black candidate is racism.

2. If you remember, Obama did not have 95% of the black vote when he started. Hilary had the huge majority for a long time. Go read a little about it. Obama worked hard to win the black vote. So now, you Mr. person of color. think blacks are so ignorant that they switched to Obama because of his skin color rather than his message.

You are a disgrace to people of color for your ignorant post. You probably are not a person of color but Karl Rove/Dick Cheney, or if you truly are, then you are one ignorant m.f. Either way, you are a disgrace to people of color.

I'm a "people of color" too. It's sort of a peachy sort of color. There's a little bit of faded bronze left over from the summer.

What's your point, Billy? Or are you just bent on making this a racist discussion.

It's kinda like me calling you a sexist for voting against the McCain/Palin ticket.

The black man just don't have a chance in America.....

Those who use the racist excuse are weak and normally use the racist comment when they can't think of anything to say.

I agree George. I knew alot of Blacks who was voting for Hillary. I myself was a Hillary supporter until last October. Some older Blacks were scared he would be assassinated. That's why the comment Hillary made was unforgivable by Blacks. While others thought "they" would not allow him to win. One segment of the population that was not polled is Black women. And we are still left out the loop.

I can no more disown the Reverend Wright than I can disown the entire black community. What exactly did Obama do with Reverend Wright, his mentor and spiritual advisor for over 20 years, and his entire church?

Racist? Politician? Are you Obama fans lily white young liberals who really don't know what it is to feel racism? I know what it's like to watch my mother take on 3 jobs to feed us. I know what it's like to be denied service in certain restaurants and places or having to take menial jobs to earn a living when I am better qualified than the other candidates, who happen to be white.

Please don't preach what you don't know or understand. And please don't say that you are standing up for us.

Obama is just another politician as far as I'm concerned.

Jeez I did not know that John kerry was black. Same amount voted for him? Maybe one could say that black people recognize phonies like Bush an McCain better than you do.

What's a logdump? I would no sooner vote for arrogant Republicans that I would believe "Mission Accomplished."

Yes, racism is alive and well. Just because people don't want to vote for an inexperienced person with very slim record of achievements

I'm confused I thought you were talking about Palin for a second. Was it Obama who had the interview and answered a, b, c, and all of the above on what the Bush Doctrine was? Yeah I thought not. As for you proclaiming yourself to be mixed. Quite frankly that doesn't matter much. You could say you were a billionaire and there would be no one here that could prove it one way or the other. So stop using the race card when it's convenient to support your stupidity.

Thanks

Tony

If you truly have an interest in the polls, go to realclearpolitics.com and you can study and analyze for the rest of the evening.

For my money, it comes down to Ohio, PA, Michigan, VA, CO.

Rational,
I agree. OH and MI; originally in the Obama column have now been marked as 'undecided'. VA, in my humble opinion will go red.

My thoughts are that this is going to boil down to demographics as well. Female voters, middle class voters, etc.

You seem like one of the more reasonable people in this thread...do you happen to know the historical data on voter turnout for various demographic groups?

Pat, I don't know about Virginia so it is good to hear from someone who has a feel for the state. For my two cents, Ohio will be red and I believe Michigan will be red. Colorado could go red as well, but it will be tight. I don't have a feel for Pennsylvania.

lottopaws...Colorado is intriguing. Historically, they've been fairly liberal, I believe.
Maybe they will be 2008's 'Florida'

All I know is this is probably going to be a historic year for polling numbers. I'm betting that we see more shift in the polls after the Vice Presidential debate than we do after all three Presidential debates.

All of them are and the Ap polls are as bad as it gets.

All of who are what, Dump? Punctuation is a wonderful thing. You should try it sometime.
Are AP polls bad when they favor Democrats? I'm surprised you don't think the FOX News Poll is "as bad as it gets".

Pat

Thanks. Without some more study, I can't rattle off stats on demographics.

I was raised in Ohio and I think I have a good feel for it. Maybe you have seen my "guns and boats" post.

An old political axiom says that general elections are decided by guys with guns and boats. There are sure a lot of these in Ohio and western PA. I feel somewhat confident that Ohio will be red. Lots of "regular" folks there that just don't connect with a Community Organizer from Chicago. (They don't even know what CO's do). With Palin coming on board, the guys with guns and boats and middle class women are squarely in the McCain-Palin camp.

If McCain wins OH, VA and IN - he is at 260 electoral college votes. He still has to get 10 more to win and where does he get them?

Choices are MI or PA - done deal - but what if he gets neither? Then from NV, NM and CO, he HAS to have two out of three. Uphill battle but doable.

Rational just finished checking the site. I'm more convinced now that the article was bias. The polls seem to exclude all of the new voters that have registered. Where it doesn't it sticks to 1 demographic (white males). What I was able to find that covers the general public has McCain behind in the polls. The article doesn't mention this. Yes some Reps that where gonna vote for Obama have gone back to the party. Except for the misleading headline however it's seems Obama is in the lead. Most of what I was able to find seems to validate some of the more colorful racist statements I've seen (put it mildly GOOD OLD BOY NETWORK).
I also looked into the corruption problems of the last election. Voting machines, votes not counted, etc:. People are already expecting the same kind of corruption. In FL, GA, PA, and CO people that have been registered for years as Dems are getting letters telling them there not registered or have to reregister due to paperwork issues.

wow Tony,

Already complaining of vote fraud over a month before the election. Libs must really be worried now. Wonder how many illegals and dead will vote in corrupt Chicago?

Not complaining for me I'm an Indep. Just checking into all the facts. Some of what I have been able to find not only about the Candidates but there Polices, voting history, etc: has made me question who I really want in office.

Obama

Lack of experience but very intelligent. Not 100% sure if his economic plan will fly. Sometimes comes off as not being able to make a firm stand.

McCain

Has experience but his name is linked in to many corruption scams. Also has a shaded voting record. Says he is for the troops but has voted against or tabled bills to improve medical care for or Veterans and troops. Chose a running mate that is married to a separatist.

Now I'm finding that people that have been registered voters for years as DEMS are being told they are no longer registered. That's a little to fishy this close to the election. People are posting articles about the corruption in FL during the last election and expecting a repeat.

Totally agree.

Where are you people going to voice your outrage about those billions if not trillions of your tax money spent on the miitary and weapons of mass destruction??? This is where you money is going and none of it is coming back to you!!!

All this money should be going to the people in forms of good social programs.. You would be more productive, healthier,the mentally ill and most fragile could be taken cared of.

Any one against this is immoral and unethical! Period. The insane paranoia toward the rest of the world must stop!

In all fairness, we're not "exactly" spending our money. It's a debt. We've sort of put it on credit cards....the problem is that the people maxing out the credit cards are not the ones that have to pay the bills.

I agree with you Kate Clark and Proudliberial: Americans need to STEP UP and START holding our government accountable. Americans have become someone "cattle" like in their thinking that they are entitled to anything and everything just because their Americans. Many have DIED for the blessed Constitutional Rights we now enjoy. But we've forgotten about demanding the TRUTHS AND FACTS when it comes to voting. We are getting caught up in all this BS lies and smear. It's truly disgraceful. We have a LOT at stake here people, we need to start paying close attention to the ISSUES that will ultimately determine NOT just your future but the future of your children.

You know what? Many of you spend MORE TIME shopping for a T.V. or a new pair of shoes than you do when it comes to electing a President and Vice President of the United States!!!! Everyone would RATHER believe the LIES AND DECIET than the FACTS and TRUTHS. What's wrong with everyone? I mean, has everyone LOST their freakin minds?

I don't give a CRAP whether you're a Republican or Democrat, WE NEED TO WAKE UP PEOPLE because when it's ALL send and done and John McCain and Sarah Palin send your daughters and sons into another WAR, who will YOU blame then? It well be too late!!

I mean MY GOD, what are we doing? Have we NOT learned anything by our mistakes, we just ignore the IRAQ WAR and Bush's claims of Weapons of Mass Destruction? Do you just ignore that we can't afford to to put food on the table, we can't afford to send our kids off to college, WE can't afford to LOSE our jobs because their getting sent overseas, OR WOULD you rather your paycheck get TAXED MORE AND MORE while the RICH gets the BIGGEST TAX BREAK in history!!!

I've got two sons and three daughters fighting in IRAQ. I'VE HAD ENOUGH!! THEIR LIVES MATTER TO ME!!! THIS MAY BE A JOKE TO SOME OF YOU, BUT MY CHILDREN'S LIVES AND FUTURE ARE AT STAKE!!!

Or the outrage about billions of dollars being sent to Georgia for an aid package while we are in a deficit.

Ginger,
I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts about the aid packages being sent to Darfur. DO you think that's a waste of money too?

EBC If your 5 children are in Iraq it's because they signed up to be in the MILITARY. Military goes to war. What else would they be expecting? A scholarship? You are right it isn't a joke. War is serious. My step brother is in Iraq. He says it is unbelievable how much our military is needed there.

Never said sending aid to other countries was a waste of money. I am just upset that some people rather help other countries then help people who live in America. What was the slogan "Country First". You will always have those who take advantage of the system. But I insist that is not the majority. What is wrong with helping someone who is facing some hardships. What we need is welfare reform. What we need is a a timeframe for aid. I do not envy anyone who has to live on welfare or foodstamps. 9 times out of 10 they are living in poor conditions.

First of all I am white so you don't think my views are slanted. Second of all if Obama loses this election it will be becaue of all the white people like you that won't vote for him solely because he is black. I am sick to death of all the bigotry that still exists in this country. It is a shame to have such a qualified individual who could finally help this country after 8 years of a moron, and people won't vote for him because of his race. I really thought before this election that times had changed and the KuKlux Clan was gone. I guess I was wrong.

Obviously it's morons & hate mongers like you who are the racists

Shame isn't it ?? This is the 21st century ------- You show the globe the ugly ignorant side of this country & how Little we've progressed

Obama shouldnt lose because he is black. He should lose because he's too green.

He's an inexperienced empty suit who has no business being #1 on the ticket. Maybe in 2016 he would have been good, but not in 2008.

If it WERENT for his race, he wouldnt be where he is now. Any first term senator 3 years out a state house wouldn't be anywhere NEAR the presidency. Name 1.

Even if you want to make the argument that Palin is inexperienced, at least she's a heartbeat away from the presidency as opposed to BEING the hearbeat.

Jim you're reaching. Why can't it be that black people just like millions of others have the common sense to realize that a man who voted with possibly the dumbest president in history 90% of the time may not be the best candidate for the job????

Obama is as much white as he is black and last time I check, blood is red no matter the race.

ENOUGH OF THE GOOD OLD BOY BLUE EYE, BLOND REDNECK!!

I'm so tired of hearing this stupid statement that Obama is where he is because he is Black. First of all Blacks are only 13% of the population of this country, and no one wins w/ 13% tahat would be a landslide loss. There are plenty of non Blacks voting for him. Iowa is 95% white and his win there is what propelled his campaign. Besides that if being Black is such an advantage now would you want to be Black? Would you like to go back in time and relive your life as a Black person? Would you have a problem if your daughter brought home someone of a different race? If yes why? if no why not? Your answers to those questions will tell you all you need to know about race in this country.

Some people won't vote for Obama because he's black.

Some people won't vote for Obama because they always vote GOP, no matter what.

Some people won't vote for Obama because they get sucked into the GOP propaganda.

So the bottom line is: Will 51% of the voters make a rational choice to counter the 49% of voters that will, for what ever reason, vote against their own economic well being and the well being of their country??

Did you ask the 90% of Blacks the reason why they are voting for him? Do you realize that the majority of Blacks vote Democrat. But you would never know until now since a Black man is running for office. What about the Black woman. Am I half racist? What have the GOP said to convince Blacks to vote for them. They don't care about the community. They only care about that 1%. You can look at the RNC and see who they represent. I voted for Al Gore, Kerry, Martin Omalley for Govenor of MD who are ALL white Democrats. So are 90% of Blacks just racist in 2008?

Not trying to be funny, but you could clearly see the racial disparities in their party by looking at the RNC crowd. I swear, it looked something like 10 blacks, 10 hispanics, 5 asians, 5 indians and the rest caucasion...

At the DNC? It looked like a rainbow - which closely represents the America we are and will continue to be. Diversity is a strength its not a weakness...

Black republicans got swindled enough I guess just like evangelicals and all the rest.

Jim Neitz,
John Kerry lost because of two situations.
One, the candidate who ran from the war accused the candidate who was a soldier in the war of being unpatriotic. And all know that anyone who is called unpatriotic does not receive votes from "middle America".

Two-As Barack Obama said, "middle America" cling to values that do not directly affect the basic needs of the citizens, overall (economy, education, etc.). They brought up the "Gay Marraige" issue which even gave Bush a large number of black votes.
(There goes the argument on blacks voting on race)

So, we remained in Iraq another 4 years, loosing thousands of Americans, killing tens-of-thousands of innocent Iraqui men, women & children; spending trillions of dollars on an unjust war because the "unpatriotic" war hero did not run against gay marriage.

HYPOCRITES!!!!

Biden giving less than $2000 TOTAL in three years is shameful!

Do you have any link to how much Obama & Biden contribute to the church, or are you pulling out of somewhere the sun don't shine ??

Yes Biden is Catholic, another well known fact... And yes, Obama is a Christian & always was,,,, Get a life.

Your ignorance & dishonesty is not a good Christian value or an American good value

Jim: The Obamas' and Bidens' tax returns as well as charitable giving are public knowledge. Also, read the initial post on this tread by "Rational Poster". I am sure he did not pull that information out of his hat.

And how much did your girl Cindy McCain give to charity last year? The answer is that we don't know because she has refused to release her tax returns.

LU-404506: Cindy McCain is not running for any office, so it's none of your business how much she gave to charity. And, she has agreed to release her tax returns although Mrs. Kerry (Heinz) did not when her husband, John Kerry, was running for office 4 years ago.

That is a bold face lie. It has been made clear that she (Cindy McCain) will not release her tax returns. As for the Obama's charitable givings, if indeed he did not give his 10% to the church, then you all can leave him alone about Rev. Wright. No black man sits in a large Black church without giving. Now, as for Colin Powell, all whites may think he is all that because he was in Republican party but I watched the man make a case for us to go to war in Iraq and he is either stupid or was such a fool that he could not see that he was being used. I could see it and the fact that he will not come out and make amends for it makes me trust him less. I said the day that I saw him speak that he had sold his soul to the devil. He will never be president because the fact is that a lot of whites would never vote for him and I will tell you that even though I have never voted for anybody white over a black person, I would write in my own name before I would vote for Colin Powell.

Now, lookk at the article. People were expressing feeling closer to McCain and although they did not say it was because he was white, they have nothing else in common with him. How is a man with millions of dollars (mind you, old money much like the Bush) be so much like most of the working class? I give him credit for his military service but he has done nothing else since then except sit in Congress. How much work is that? Remember that Obama came to Congress late and had to have been doing something before then. Bush jr and McCain have never worked. (As an aside, with a Master's degree I spent 11 years as an enlisted woman in the Marine Corps so there is svery little that all of you people who talk so much about country while you sit at home can tell me.). You can make your jokes about Community Organizer all you want but at least he did something except try to make money for himself.

No christians do not. Only evangelicals do. There is no set amount anywhere else in any Christian religion on earth.

Sonia, if its none of our business how much she gave to charity...how do you know that she is such as philanthropist then? Just saying...do you know a particular charity (or charities) in which she has donated a specified amount over a long period of time?

logdump

What is an "evangelical" as you use the term? Your seemingly authoritative comment above is inconsistent with my experience but I want to give you a chance to clarify it a bit.

lu

There is some public info about the McCain giving.

I'll share just two pieces - NOT all of it.

McCain has contributed ALL book royalty. Since 1998, that has totaled over $1,800,000. When in 1991, the Senate voted itself a pay increase, McCain OPPOSED it and since then has donated the increase to charity. The total for that since 1991 is $450,000.

Nan: The McCains may be wealthy, or at least Cindy is, but they are not billionaires as you claim. Last I heard, Cindy is worth 100 million.

what do you care how much money they have or give.. this is not what it is about!!

We need someone special in the white house, someone who can lead a country and it is not Mc cain!!

It's my understanding that Cindy make $100 million PER YEAR, but we don't know because she refuses to release her tax returns.

Sonia, your post is laughable. McCain and Cindy have been married 30 years or so. So are you telling me her money is not his money? Really????? Is that what Republicans believe - that my wife of 30 year's money is not mine? Or are you using that silly notion to defend the fact that the McCains, unlike other married politicians, have released their returns? I don't care if she is a pauper or very rich, but this argument that it is her money is the silliest thing I have heard from Republicans. Give it up.

McCain isn't worth billions or even millions...It's been public record since before he even married Cindy that there is a prenup that doesn't give John anything...so for all the idiots out there looking into records....John earns his Senator pay and GIVES all his money earned from book sales to charity...UNLIKE OBAMA who keeps it all for himself!

us freedom,
someone can afford to give away a couple hundred thousand when their wife is worth millions. come on now. he benefits from her money, prenup or no prenup. the real question is: how much is he giving to the working class, or better yet, how much money does he plan to give to the working class, the fruit of this country? since he has yet to discuss his plans i guess we dont know.

please flag US FREEDOM it is a KKK site.

easy to give to charity when your wife is a millionaire.. I would be in his shoes, I would do the same, give all my money to charity.... by the way what charity are you talking about?/ I would like to know... does he give to poor black childrens??? Hummm

Or does he give to organized religion where they brainwash people into voting for them, the warmongers??

George: Married or not, Cindy McCain's money is hers, not John McCain's. They are even filing separate tax returns. Many couples have those sorts of pre-nups or other arrangements. Nevertheless, check out John McCain's tax return (public record) and you will see that he is a very generous giver, although he is not a wealthy man. Cindy is involved with charities here and abroad.

Nan

Bidens donated $380 two years in a row and $995 the third year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for the Obama household from 2000 - 2004, they had AGI of $204,000 to $272,000 and could only find it in their heart to donate 0.4% to 1.4% of that to charity.

We are being sold a bill of goods. Their words are hollow. Their actions don't match their words.

Obviously you don't even know Reagan who you got your screen name from ---- He was neither a racist like you nor a Liberal Hater

I met Ronald Reagan back in the 60's & helped him campaign for governor

Don't feel bad,,,, McCain obviously can't remember Ronald Reagan either

Reagan, 88% of blacks voted for Kerry in 2004 so what's your point.

Maybe blacks are voting for Obama because they feel that he can best lead the country.

The point of the study is to try to explain why this election is even close. It's insane that anyone would vote for McCain after the GOP has pillaged the country in the last 8 years.

So explain to us Reagan: How can you vote against your own economic well being over and over? How can you vote for someone that will stomp this country into the ground??

Obama is not ignorant. He is very intelligent and educated, and so is Biden. It is McCain and Palin that lack educated and discipline.

Obama and Biden will do their best to help their country and the people that live her. McCain and Palin will drive us deeper into debt with war and division.

proudliberal,

Why is it NOT important as to how much Obama gives to charity? Obama talks a good story about wanting EVERYONE ELSE to do charity work, to serve in the military or go overseas, but what has HE done? He did some community work, but let's talk about what work he did. What can you tell me that he did for others for which he received no pay nor anything to help him in his career. How many hours, how long, hmmmm? He wants others to spend a couple of years doing this work to pay off their school loans, etc., and then wants us to believe that he turned down other more lucrative offers to do service work. Yet, it was only a year or so ago that he talked about how he couldn't find a job and didn't want others to end up in the same situation. So which is it, Obama, did you take the service work because that was all you could find or did you turn down (notice, he has NEVER talked about what jobs and with whom, lol) lucrative jobs to give back to the community?

lotta paws,
you need to educate yourself. first of all, everyone knows that graduating mcl from havard law affords opportunity for you to work at ANY law firm you want, and you can name the price. actually law firms are bidding on you. so most of america knows that he actually turned down quite a few firms to take a job organizing. that show his heart and his character. it is one thing to be able to just give some money to help people out, but to actually get involved with the community you are trying to help speaks volumes. or maybe just to us working folks.

Then don't go dancing with McCain ---- He is nothing what he says

Very well put, April.

GLOBAL WARMING IS HERE, YOU BETTER BELIEVE IT!!

WE NEED HELP, WE CANNOT DO IT ALONE!!!!

It's not fair that all Americans have to suffer for the stupidity of others. And it is sad that those few Americans do not consider themselves citizens of the World.

Proud

Temps are rising on Mars and Jupiter parallel to earth. Whom shall we blame that on?

Good news, however. Sunspot activity is decreasing - signaling the swing to a cooling period. Maybe not in our lifetime, but possibly so, in my opinion we'll be far more concerned about cooling than warming.

Why you say? Ag economies are far more susceptible to cooling than warming. With population growth in the next 100 years approaching what could be reasoned to be a max carrying capacity for the earth, we'll be VERY concerned about anything that limits food production.

Bush is not the republican party, he just uses the name.. He is a fascist! please look for the definition in a dictionnary!

Obama's party is not invading countries, destroying our constitution, pillaging our country.

Why is it that no one in the GOP can think for themselves?? Why do you all use the same talking points??

At Republican functions it is mandantory that you check your brain at the door where it wil be refilled so it speaks like our little republican trolls.

logdump

You present yourself as a sophisticated, mature citizen yet post hurtful, sharp, judgmental posts.

I consider myself as anything but a GOP "troll" and I certainly have NEVER checked my brain at the door. What gives with you? Why do you post on this board?

I don't particularly care for the Bush politics, especially "Mission Accomplishe." However, I don't see Obama as any different than the establishment that he is seeking to change. Plan policies and stands on issues are political animals that have changed with public opinion.

Obama promises on campaign financing went out the window when he accumulated a sizeable war chest. Yes, it was the politically appropriate decision to make. But it spoke volumes of the difference between stand up for principles and being just another politician.

Obama and Biden will work to make our country a better place. McCain and Palin will use their energy to create conflicts with other countries. War is all that McCain likes.

If you voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004 then perhaps you need to ask yourself what it is exactly that draws you to put people in office that are not working for the citizens of the country.

How much is the Obama camp paying you to post? I don't like the arrogant Republicans, but it's Obama fans that don't want to talk about the candidates as human beings that deserve our respect that really make me concerned about the Democrats being hypocrites.

Obama/Biden and McCain/Palin are running for the highest offices in the land. I believe that all of them are honorable people. I also believe that Bush is an honorable person. He has made some horrendeous mistakes, but so have other presidents.

We are voting for the next leaders of our country. After the last 8 years it is shocking that this election is even close. Obama should be getting 90% of the vote.

This is not about being Republican or Democrat; it's about the future of our country.

I think that Bush is truly embarrassed about his legacy...But Cheney is laughing at the stupidity of the American people.

If that is what you want to pick and true leader then stay away from this team: McCain can't make a good choice even if his life depend on it. Just look at Palin.

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FORT WAINWRIGHT, Alaska (AP) - John McCain running mate Sarah Palin sought Thursday to defend her qualifications but struggled with foreign policy, unable to describe President Bush's doctrine of pre-emptive strikes against threatening nations and acknowledging she's never met a foreign head of state.

The Republican vice presidential nominee told Charles Gibson of ABC News in her first televised interview since being named to the GOP ticket that ``I'm ready'' to be president if called upon. However, she sidestepped on whether she had the national security credentials needed to be commander in chief

Linda,

And just what are Obama's national security credentials? Also, please show me where the "Bush Doctrine" is written. I have heard a couple of different opinions as to what it really is. Did Bush ever say he had a "Bush Doctrine" or is this just some name that the press gave to one of his many statements?

How do you make a "fact" from " could" what a retard. Fact: Cindy McCain investigated by DEA for drug abuse and stealing drugs from the charity she founded to help bring medical relief to kids around the world. Those drugs wer Vicodin and percoct. Fact: John Mcain's family owned slaves ( Carroll county Mississippi, 52 slaves, one as young as 6 months old according to the 1860 census) Fact: McCain ancestor fought for the Confederacy ( some call it rebellion others call it treason) his name is William Alexander McCain, 5th Miss. Cavalry KIA 1863. Those are facts, look them up

I don't care if Obama dances with the devil in the pale moon light...as long as he does what is right for the country during the day.

With Obama we have a chance to change the direction of the country and prosper again. With McCain we will have no chance...and we won't deserve a chance either.

Frankly, I think that this country has gotten too big and too divided. Maybe the blue states on the East and West coasts can be one country under Obama and the red states in the middle and south can have McCain for their president.

Of course that would mean that the Federal taxes that are generated by the blue states will stay in the blue states instead of us having to support the red states. But since the red states don't care about their economic well being anyway that shouldn't bother them too much.

Lu

What decisions do you hope Obama makes as POTUS?