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Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has left the wilds of Alaska, but she has not quite left the mountains.

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Matt Britten

I think we could use a few more headlines about Sarah Palin...

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
Jessicaf

haha I would love to hear more too. I think the media has overdone their critique of Palin, I think in the last 2 weeks there has been over 25 articles on how Palin sucks. People need to just do their own research the media bias doesn't do anything but make up stories and altar them.

  • 5 votes
#1.1 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
Wilfred of Ivanhoe

So Palin loves the great outdoors. That's just one more "experience" that prepares her to be Vice President and--possibly--President of the United States. Just like being a small town mayor and governor of a sparsely populated state awash in oil tax dollars. It seems like only yesterday we heard this from John McCain:

"I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time."
---John McCain on Rudy Giuliani and Mitt Romney in Fox News Republican Debate on October 21, 2007

Palin has nowhere near the mayoral or gubernatorial experience of Giuliani and Romney, but now McCain is pushing her as the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's amazing how much ol' John's opinion on mayors and governors has changed in less than a year.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:23 PM EDT
dal

Jessicaf

So Palin sucks? Well there was plenty of certain people loving the media when Palin was "A great story" so when the skeletons come out the media is bias? I think the only bias is the stout Republicans way of thinking. The media can not help but report on when a candidate lies or has some outrageous tidbit in their past. Repubs loved the media when Rev Wright was talked about so what about the kooky church Palin belongs to? According to Palin, her own word, the Iraq war was God's will and so was the deaths of thousands. Her church believes that they will form a committee and with God take over the world. Of course if this is brought up in the media it is "biased". Total double standard from people who consider a black teen pregnancy a "crisis" but a white teen pregnancy a "blessed event". I applaud the media for reporting the truth rather than lies like kindergarten sex ed or something silly like pigs and lipstick. Sorry Palin and Mccain suck as candidates I felt the same way about Kerry 4 years ago. He was dry as a cracker and not very well spoken. Sorry Mccain can not speak well just like when he was torn up on the "View". My God those women made him look like a 3rd grader. Obama is going to tear Mccain up on a debate. Yes Mccain can throw his weight to the media one way but can not take it when it is coming back. There is only so much name calling can help the Repubs: Liberal, Left, Racist, Muslim, Prophet, Hussein Obama yes I have read all of this and it has substance and truthfully is childish. Every time I read a one liner I think "Is this the best my former party can do?". It is sad that eight years ago the party was decent now it is just eroded to a bunch of name callers and car salesman. Mccain is a lemon.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
sarah-475362

If you want to focus on issues. let's ban Palin from our conversation!

Do not comment on any report about Palin. The noise will die down if there are no people involved. This is a tabloid business. More people care, more attention she gets.
A crying baby?

We will comment on our terms. Let Republican follow us. Talk about yourself, what you do, why you vote for Obama etc. You will only win the conversation by leading the conversation. I have to say McCain campaign know how to mess up with people's mind.
They choose their time table to meet the press, to release the tax return.
We should choose our subjects to talk.

I vote for Obama because the tax cut, education plan, health plan and his vision for the future.

I do not support McCain because he only shouts fighting for us but has no real plan.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
Judy-331211

MSNBC will print as many negative articles about Palin and McCain as they possibly can! They want Obama to win and they will do EVERY thing they can to help their cause!

  • 4 votes
#1.5 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:18 PM EDT
R. Donald Snyder

The media is not printing negative things about Palin. They are revealing all of the negative things about her that are there. The media did not get her daughter pregnant. The media did not fire the Commissioner because he wouldn't fire her ex-brother-in-law. The media is not in favor of shooting wildlife from airplanes. The media is not in denial about global warming or the extinction of Polar bears. The media is not in favor of sending a young teen-aged girl to prison if she gets an abortion, even if she was raped or molested by a family member. The media does not belong to a church that preaches that terrorism against the Jews is God's judgement. The media is not responsible for not vetting her better before impulsively trying to place an unqualified political lightweight one heart beat away from the presidency. The media is doing it's job, the GOP did not.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
dal

Amen Donald! If Palin would talk about the issues we would focus more on them instead she wants to talk about her family except when it becomes "inconvenient". You can not have it both ways. When she toured she talked about her family. Fine. But do not Parade them out there with halos when your can go to MySpace and see her teen having a kegger. Great family values! She brought the subject up.
Look we have to focus on the all-around candidate because the Mccain party will try to show the sunny side and not the dark. If the Mccain camp is telling her to parade her kids around and using them as a tool to win or exploiting her religious background then that becomes an issue that is open for feedback. Mccain would like a one way street which worked 4 years ago but the public has became wiser. Obama will win.

  • 2 votes
#1.7 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:04 AM EDT
ForestlakeDeleted
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GrabanIdiot

I tried reading about her Palin and her religion and came across this :

http://grabanidiot.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/15/1867552-sarah-palins-religion-god-and-the-vice-presidential-candidate-spiegel-online-news-international">

  • 1 vote
#1.10 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:37 AM EDT
Fisherman144

Yes, like her indictment in the abuse of power case that's due to come out in the early part of October. She has NO qualification to be an office holder of any kind. She's a good con-artist and people are getting fooled by here female image. She's the only politician who can lie to your face and then tell another invented story with out batting a phony eyelash..

  • 4 votes
#1.11 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:35 AM EDT
Trish Stelten

A new Palin headline. Palin supports guns. Havine her first child less than 8 months after her marriage, I quess that also includes shot-gun vows! This is only an issue because she has postured herself as the poster spokeswomen for ethics and morality! What a phoney!!!!

  • 2 votes
#1.12 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:07 AM EDT
Arthur-379160

Maybe the main stream media will finally ask some really tough questions like 'How do you skin a moose? Did you skin it alone or someone help?'

    #1.13 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:28 AM EDT
    Turbull-523516

    Wow! Looks like the entire "Obama-nation" is rolling here this morning. Always well-educated you, guys, seams ready to devour Sarah Palin in her hunting boots and all her state of Alaska in addition(please, forgive my Ukrainain English mis-spelling). Such a noble community of modern American political thinkers!
    However, there are some interesting questions rising up, while reading your, guys, "scientific" posts.

    Dal, as I can understand, you suggest that the Harvard graduate's resent "lipstick offence" was not about poor pit-bull Sarah.
    And this is wise, because it is impossible to imaging that candidate for the highest office in America can be accustomed to such an uncivilized, almost Neanderthals language.
    But, than let me have a pleasure to understand this - about whom of the women in his acquaintance Barack was talking about? If Michelle was his target, well, that's their family business. However, is that was Oprah, or Hillary - the story than has quite a different colour!
    So, if someone of you, guys, are close enough to Obama's political whoever, please, ask him to clarify the subject for me once and for all!
    Otherwise, I'll be forced to agree with my many Russian counterparts that American liberals are the most arrogant, yet, sorry, stupid "political thinkers" in the world!

    • 3 votes
    #1.14 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:55 PM EDT
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    proudliberal-468415

    Great video!

    http://propagandameatgrinder.magnify.net/video/Zeitgeist-s-hrvatskim-titlom/theater#theater_title

    for the not so bright... scroll to the right a little.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:30 PM EDT
    Elyse Yeager

    Anyone in the MSM going to call her on her lying about the Bridge to Nowhere again? No? I thought not. Coverage was much better before the news divisions were expected to turn a profit and now are held hostage to their sponsors.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#3 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:35 PM EDT
    proudliberal-468415

    Who would ever vote for someone as cruel as Palin???? She will kill all predators in Alaska if she can!!

    Majestic animals do belong in Alaska, it is those inbred rednecks who do not belong there. What she does to the wildlife needs to be denounced and she should be thrown out of office!! If the wildlife is an inconvenience, then move!!

    https://secure.defenders.org/site/Donation2?idb=0&df_id=1547&1547.donation=form1&autologin=true&s_src=6JY08WDC4F&s_subsrc=6JY08WDC4F_EJI08D2a&JServSessionIdr012=79hzrj9oj1.app20a

    • 2 votes
    Reply#4 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:42 PM EDT
    chollaDeleted
    proudliberal-468415

    You are the one who knows nothing!!! All species are useful. You are just one of these arrogant human being who think we are superior to all other species and should managed every thing on the planet!!

    Well at least other species are not destroying our world, idiots like you, are!

    • 3 votes
    #4.2 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
    Steve-505729

    All those Vegitables your eatting with no meat is making your Brain Shrink..

    • 2 votes
    #4.3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:04 PM EDT
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    proudliberal-468415

    Palin has to be exposed like every body else! Period

    the public know nothing about that woman and no , the medias are not bias, they just do their jobs, so we know who she really is!! From what we know now, it is not someone we want in office, this is for sure!!

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
    Jessicaf

    haha even I know that FOX is bias and I am a republican. All of the news is bias, they do not just do their jobs and report on the facts. Are you even serious with this post? Distorting info does not shows who someone really is.

    • 2 votes
    #5.1 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 7:50 PM EDT
    proudliberal-468415

    So, if she is so perfect to you, what are you worried about?? Ha!

    She is not fit to run this country. Period.. a maire, haahaaa, and a maire of who many people?? 5000 ??

    and the governor of Alaska?? a state lost in the middle of nowhere??? how many people in Alaska??

    also, she is never there when people need her!!!! Many are very unhappy with her, believe me!!

    She was not a good maire, and she is not a good governor!! You do not fire professionals to hire people who have no idea what the job is about!!!

    • 1 vote
    #5.2 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
    TB in SD

    the word is Mayor. . .

    • 2 votes
    #5.3 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
    Judy-331211

    I'd rather vote for a Mayor than a community organizer!!!!

    • 4 votes
    #5.4 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:27 AM EDT
    Steve-505729

    Hey.. A community organizer with no record of what he did while doing that.....

    One time i talked to my neighbors about looking out for each others homes when we went on Vaction.... therefore i am a community organizer... Guess i am ready to be president

    • 3 votes
    #5.5 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:06 PM EDT
    Jessicaf

    I am not saying that I love her but I think her experience surpasses Obama's who has a law degree and hardly any other credentials that would make him qualify for President. His law degree places him in the Senate to write up legislation. He has never run anything or done anything beneficial. Can someone please answer what Obama has done? He hardly gives to charity less than 5% of his salary. He is so for CHANGE and has done nothing to promote the causes he stands for he oculd atleast donate to them. His ties to Ayers and Wright says it all for me and shows me what he stands for and how things will change in America.

      #5.6 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:15 PM EDT
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      proudliberal-468415

      I would be governor, I would have other priorities than building an ice rink!!! this is tax money thrown out of windows!!!

      Septic tanks and sewage waters are leaking in lakes!!!!! Water, the most precious resources of all !!!!!

      That is an outrage!! if these people cannot deal and are unwilling to fix these kind of problems, they need to be thrown out of office!!

      She is unfit not only to be governor but to be vice president!! and as we go along, more corruption and bad decisions on her part will be discovered. Any one who ask like she is to her people not to talk to the press has something bad to hide!! It is that simple!!

      • 2 votes
      Reply#6 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:24 PM EDT
      New Yorker 2000Deleted
      looksee

      Hey , lets not forget that she can actually "SEE" Russia from her back yard! Now that within its self is enough for me to vote rep....

      • 1 vote
      Reply#8 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:42 PM EDT
      ScienceGuy-356641

      Actually, she has to go to a remote island or the Seward Peninsula to see Russia. Not exactly in her back yard. But hey, she got me inspired. I can see the moon at night from my back yard, so I guess I'm qualified to be an astronaut.

      • 1 vote
      #8.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:28 AM EDT
      GrabanIdiot

      ScienceGuy...........

      your post made me laugh !!!

      I can imagine looking at the moon and waiting for intelligent signs ! hahahahahahaha

        #8.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:31 AM EDT
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        Lisa-517960

        I think the Obama campaign volunteers should man outside and give each person going to her rallies a fact sheet about her, so when she says once again "I said no thank you to that bridge to nowhere", they know the truth, along with the earmarks, and the re-assigned chef, and so on, and so on, and so on.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#9 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:43 PM EDT
        Eric-374392

        Of all of the (much more) capable people in the GOP... and this is the best they could do?? If they wanted a "woman," why not Kay Baily Hutchinson or Christine Whitman - at least they can speak intelligently about the issues. Is there a book entitled "The Idiot's Guide to the Vice-presidency?" If so, she might consider reading it. "Low information voters" continue to rally around this political lightweight. Are people so easily fooled? Are they that starved for superficial celebrity-leadership? These are frightening times indeed.

          Reply#10 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
          Barbara-309897

          Oops! The media's bias is showing again. Sarah is a tough pill for them to take. Let's face it, you pick, pick, pick at everything Gov. Palin does, roll your eyes and sigh heavily. So where was Bidden campaigning today? You never have anything to say about him. Plus, I have noticed that you never even mention that it was his little adventure of carrying out the wishes of the big credit card companies that kept the middle class and the poor people of this country from being able to file bankrupsy when they were tricked and trapped by the Bidden's friends (the big credit card companies! Sarah's got my vote. I see beyond the msm's agenda.

          • 3 votes
          Reply#11 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 8:52 PM EDT
          Holy-Cow

          So where was Bidden campaigning today? Who's that running for mayor or something

            #11.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:12 AM EDT
            Turbull-523516

            Dear Lisa, I suggest different approach - to give every McCain-Palin candidate list with the words "change, change, change" written. It worked for Lenin perfectly! Remember? The bloody founder of the Communist party once wrote "to learn, to learn, to learn". I, as a child, still used to see those slogans on the streets everywhere in USSR.

            • 1 vote
            #11.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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            Eric-374392

            Both political parties pay homage to big banks and investment firms - but only one has consistently forced deregulation / non-regulation - Republicans (Bushies). They have purposely and maliciously failed to protect consumers and safeguard small investors. Where has this gotten us Barbara - we the taxpayers are being called on the bail out more major financial institutions, while wealthy investors keep the profits. Do you think that Palin and her hyper-free market ideals would actually bring change? My God, she has no comprehension of how the economy actually works!

              Reply#12 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:01 PM EDT
              Jessicaf

              The dems were the ones fighting to allow the subprime loans and decrease the qualifications to get a home loan because they saw it as unfair to people with less money and bad credit. Many Republicans were pushing to have some oversight in these companies and to go through the books. These problems have had a long time coming and these problems were not started in the last 8 years. These companies were lying on their books and giving huge incentives to push loans.
              How will increasing welfare spending, universal healthcare, 845$ billion end world poverty act, going to help the overall economy.

                #12.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:26 PM EDT
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                proudliberal-468415

                Evangelicals... these people are so screwed up !! Who did they vote for the past 2 elections??? Look at the disaster!

                Also, their hypocisy is mind boggling.... concern about the poor??? No, you're not !! You always vote for the republican party who is against UHC !!! 10 million people live with parasitic diseases in this country because they cannot afford health care!!! Also the republican party cares only about the rich!! Do I need to remind you???

                All you care about is that dead end issues... abortion... Why do you think the law was changed about this?? because too many woman were dying!!!!

                Romania lost 20 000 sisters, mothers, daughers, wives, to back alley abortionS, after shooting their leader who inforced a ban on abortion, abortion was made LEGAL again!! This is a dead issue and a diversion for the republican party!! YOU CANNOT FORCE A WOMAN TO HAVE A CHILD IF SHE DOES NOT WANT TO. PERIOD!! All children should be wanted!!

                You won't stop me from having an abortion, because I will fly to another country to have one!! Again, it will be the poor and most unfortunate who will pay the price of your stupidity!

                You evangelicals really have a twisted mind ! KEEP YOUR RELIGION OUT OF POLITIC !!

                SWISSLAND 80% DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR book of FAIRY TALES... FRANCE 60% DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR GOD. GERMANY, ENGLAND ABOUT 70% DO NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR SUPERSTITIONS and we are all doing very well , thank you!

                You have become a backward nation of superstitious fools with 33 millions of poor americans, 50 millions with no health insurance, 50 millions with bad health insurance, millions more homeless on the street and you claim to be a christian nation ??? Hahaaahaaa....

                Please crawl back under your rock where you belong and shut up.. You are a abomination!

                • 2 votes
                Reply#13 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
                independent voter-512572

                Wow. Now I'm pro-choice, but hell posts like these only give the liberals a bad name. When you attack evangilicals in this country you are attacking OUR country. Since the birth of this country, christianity has played an important role in our society. Why don't you attack Kennedy, FDR, Lincoln, etc, etc?? It is because you are full of hate, and have nothing knowledgable to say about the important issues. You only pick one thing out like abortion. Anyone who knows anything about Palin's belief knows that she is Pro-life. Yet, he record has not changed anything in this regard. She is against abortion, but feels it is the state's responsibility to decide-exactly how Obama and Biden feel. Hell when you look at each state's law's, Alaska has one of the most liberal stances on abortion. She is also FOR teaching contraception in schools eventhough she supports abstinence education. Know your facts before shouting nonsense!!

                  #13.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:19 AM EDT
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                  Palin is Bush in a dress

                  This election isn't about "Values" or "Experience" or "Security" or "feminism" or anything at all but money. Period. Those in power gain control over the spending of trillions of dollars upon trillions every year.

                  For the past eight years, the Republicans have controlled the White House, and what we've seen is the rich get richer while the poor and the middle class get poorer. The infrastructure of this nation is falling apart, the economy is tanking and environmental issues are becoming dire.

                  The richest three percent of this nation have received tax breaks totaling 1 trillion dollars over the past six years. If divided equally, that amounts to over half a million per year for each one of those in the top three percent.

                  The argument is, these rich "captains of industry" invest this money to make more money, and the benefits trickle on down to the poor and middle class.

                  Seen much trickling in the past eight years?

                  Look at the housing market for the super rich. It hasn't crashed with the rest of the housing market. It's gone up. That's where all that money from the tax breaks goes, bigger and bigger mansions, yachts, speculation in the markets, gold and oil, etc... It doesn't go into new businesses that hire more workers. These people already have their businesses, and their fortunes. They're on the top, and they want to stay there. That's why they're conservatives.

                  Want a strong economy? Tax that money, and give the breaks to the middle class. They'll use it to buy things, like washing machines, and cars and computers etc... things they need, but can't afford. They'll save it, and send their kids to college, or use it to really start up new businesses.

                  While such a minority, how do the rich maintain their position of power? By fooling the middle class into thinking they share common values. "Keep America Strong!" "Country First!" "Keep Government off our backs!" "No Tax and Spend!" They distract from the real issues with a constant barrage of non issues, like all that nonsense about lipstick etc... They use fear, and outright lies to muddy the waters and confuse the public.

                  This isn't a football game. It's not about rallying around the "home team." It's about vital issues, financial, military and environmental that are going to effect your ability to live the kind of life you want and the opportunities your children are going to have far into the future.

                  In entering these sights and simply echoing the spin, and contributing to the noise, you do yourself and all those around you a disservice. Give the issues the respect they deserve, discuss them intelligently and honesty, and contribute towards all of us making an intelligent, well informed decision.

                  As a final note, think on this. When a government really has nothing left with which to maintain the allegiance of its population, it starts a war. This serves both to rally the public around those in power, and make them a hell of a lot of money. Think Cheney and Haliburton. Ready for the next one? Georgia perhaps? Only the Russians are a bit more formidable than the Taliban or Iragis.

                  Listen carefully to McCain and Palin, and you'll hear distant beat of war drums. Sounds like fun.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#14 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
                  Semper Ubi Sub Ubi

                  The Real issue is whether or not America really wants left wing socialism and more wealth redistribution as the solution to what ails us.

                  The drumbeat of class warfare the democrats are pounding are as loud and clear as any.
                  Here's a reality check for you. The "evil" rich already pay most of the costs of our government. They are already paying most of your share and mine. In fact the top 1 of earners in America alone pay 40 percent of the income taxes in America. Yes you read that right.

                  So what? they are rich. Screw em. Ok. that's how many in America feel. You or I (can't speak for you, but certainly true for me) will never reach the top 1 percent income earners, but we may, if we are blessed, make the top 25 percent. OK, here's another fact, the top 25 percent of earners in ameria pay 80 percent of our income taxes. here's one last fact. The bottom 50 percent (HALF!) of the income earners in America pay about 3 percent of the income taxes. Those in the lowest brackets actually pay LESS THAN ZERO percent collectively after EIC and other credits are factored in. All these facts can be verified quite easily by going to the IRS Statistics of Income Division.

                  So, here's my question? How much to you want? What do you think is fair? How much will make you happy?

                  Sen Obama is proposing more wealth redistribution by taxation. Tax the "rich," give it to the "poor" and "middle class." this is wildly popular and Sen Obama knows this, but it is also fundementally unfair, unamerican, and it does not work to produce jobs, real wealth, prosperity and opportunity.

                  • 2 votes
                  #14.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:25 AM EDT
                  proudliberal-468415

                  The real issue is that for too long, all the money has been invested in the military and none on the people!! Investing in the people or on the people is not socialism, it is good common sense!

                  • 1 vote
                  #14.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
                  ForestlakeDeleted
                  Go USA

                  Please know your facts regarding military funding. All the money is NOT invested in the miilitary. More like 4-6% of the budget goes to military funding. I will find the source and post it later. (I think I remember reading that in Air Force magazine or the National Guard magazine. June or July 2008.)

                  • 1 vote
                  #14.4 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 6:55 AM EDT
                  Turbull-523516

                  Is she? That makes her even more attractive to me!

                    #14.5 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
                    Jessicaf

                    I believe welfare costs over 350$ billion dollars a year. The war is costing 120 billion a year but atleast creates jobs and an increase in production. Being a welfare state does nothing for an economy and will not help America in anyway there is no correlation btw. welfare and how an economy performs. If anything it just costs Americans money and most people cheat the system. When the lower class pay nothing in taxes how is that a good thing for America and why should hardworkers have to make up for them and give them their hard earned money?

                      #14.6 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:33 PM EDT
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                      Keep Oregon Green

                      Just keep her out of Oregon. We know a phoney tree hugger when we see it. How can an ex-beauty queen be as out doors minded as she claims to be? This coon don't hunt!

                      • 2 votes
                      Reply#15 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:25 PM EDT
                      JayB

                      you're right judy#1.5.... AND cholla#4.5 right again This person should drive the roads here in the midwest and they can pray a deer doesn't smash into their car! If animal population isn't kept down in a lot of places, we would be in trouble! (although, I could never shoot one myself!)
                      UHC would be wonderful if it worked....I would hate to wait 4-6 mos. to see a Dr!!
                      AND... well said Barbara--"they" won't say anything negative about BO--it's so digusting! He certainly has his negatives also!!!! We are getting close to Socialism (have been since the 60's) we HAVE to make sure it doesn"t take a firm grip on us!

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#16 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:40 PM EDT
                      JH-307896

                      You want a washing machine or car or computer. GO OUT AND EARN THE MONEY AND GET ONE!! Don't steal from from people that are more successful than you. If we didn't have the top 10% of rich people paying taxes we would all be poor.
                      Socialism doesn't work! If you take money from hard working people and give it to people of less means they will go out and buy a lottery ticket or waste it some other place.
                      President Bush gave everybody a tax break. He took more people off the federal tax rolls than any other president.

                      • 3 votes
                      Reply#17 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:59 PM EDT
                      proudliberal-468415

                      Obiously you don't know what you are talking about... Isn't Europe socialist ??? their people are doing much better than yours and we have become richer than you!!

                      Investing in the well being of the people is not a luxury, it is a right !!!!

                      • 1 vote
                      #17.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
                      Semper Ubi Sub Ubi

                      Proudliberalmoron 468415

                      thanks for the european perspective. I'm sure America can't wait to become France.

                      JH-307896

                      You are the man. keep telling these newsvine wackos to get a job. They can't wait for the goverment to tax the rich so they can get some money for an ipod or some pot or something else compteley retarded that they don't want to work for. They aren't even as ambitious as the New Orleans looters I ran across after Katrina who wanted washing machines, computers, and booze...at least THEY got off their arses and waded through the sewage to steal it.

                      • 1 vote
                      #17.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:45 AM EDT
                      Paul-246112

                      I definitely will not cast my vote for Obama. I think he's the biggest phony in politics ! BUT I'm getting really mixed feelings about Palin too now that....France, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kuwait, and a few other countries prefer Obama. I think what ever these great countries want, we should give them. After all we're great friends with them..... AREN'T WE ?

                      • 2 votes
                      #17.3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:55 AM EDT
                      Steve-505729

                      Its ok.. France only like Americans when the germans are coming.... speaking of which . Care to buy a french rifle.. Its never been fired.. and only dropped once

                      • 2 votes
                      #17.4 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
                      looksee

                      JH- don't you realize that the middle class are numbered with the unemployed poor now? You say...don't steal from working people, well....DUH....people can't work...there are NO JOBS... the stupid Chinese are Americas employer now!

                        #17.5 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
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                        Jim-372206

                        Why doesn't Palin wear an American Flag Lapel Pin ?? Doesn't she love America more than Israel ???

                        Is it because she is associated with Jews for Jesus ?? --- If so, we don't need people in the top spot of our country who thinks Terrorism is God's judgement on those who don't accept Christianiy.

                        Is it because she's a pentacostal ??? --- If so, do we kneed some one who relies on prayer for her decisions in the top job in our nation ????

                          Reply#18 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
                          Steve-505729

                          She does fool... Its Obama that wont wear the pin

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                          #18.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:33 PM EDT
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                          JH-307896

                          Proudliberal - when you fly to another country for your abortion please stay there.
                          You idiot liberals always have to try to scare people saying that their abortion rights will suffer if a republican is in office. THAT IS BULL CRAP!! And you know it you idiot.

                          • 1 vote
                          Reply#19 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
                          Jim-372206

                          FYI, idiot ---- What our government is trying to do in the War on Terror is to bring "Liberalism" to Islamic countries ---- Get on board or you leave this country

                          By the way,,,, Palin doesn't agree with the McCain's on abortion. The McCain's want to limit it to rape, incest & to protect the health of the mother.

                            #19.1 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
                            proudliberal-468415

                            JH-307896

                            Of course it will !!! Ask Missouri.... They have one abortion clinic left for the whole state and the state is doing all it can to shut it down... google the fact !! Wyoming same... In more and more states, they are making it very difficult for clinics to operate, by changing laws and requiements on their stuctures. So they are working on state level to stop our right of choice !! Next, it will be on a federal level.

                            If the republicans are elected, they will make it very difficult for women to terminate their pregnancies, this is why you cannot vote for MC cain, because he will put a pro life, but pro gun, in the supreme court to replace the only woman Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

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                            #19.2 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:54 AM EDT
                            looksee

                            JH- Where the hell was Roe VS. Wade when you were allowed to be born????

                              #19.3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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                              proudliberal-468415

                              FROM LE MONDE DIPLOMATIC NEWSPAPER.

                              The economic disaster that is military keynesianism
                              Why the US has really gone broke
                              Global confidence in the US economy has reached zero, as was proved by last month's stock market meltdown. But there is an enormous anomaly in the US economy above and beyond the subprime mortgage crisis, the housing bubble and the prospect of recession: 60 years of misallocation of resources, and borrowings, to the establishment and maintenance of a military-industrial complex as the basis of the nation's economic life
                              By Chalmers Johnson

                              The military adventurers in the Bush administration have much in common with the corporate leaders of the defunct energy company Enron. Both groups thought that they were the "smartest guys in the room" — the title of Alex Gibney's prize-winning film on what went wrong at Enron. The neoconservatives in the White House and the Pentagon outsmarted themselves. They failed even to address the problem of how to finance their schemes of imperialist wars and global domination.

                              As a result, going into 2008, the United States finds itself in the anomalous position of being unable to pay for its own elevated living standards or its wasteful, overly large military establishment. Its government no longer even attempts to reduce the ruinous expenses of maintaining huge standing armies, replacing the equipment that seven years of wars have destroyed or worn out, or preparing for a war in outer space against unknown adversaries. Instead, the Bush administration puts off these costs for future generations to pay or repudiate. This fiscal irresponsibility has been disguised through many manipulative financial schemes (causing poorer countries to lend us unprecedented sums of money), but the time of reckoning is fast approaching.

                              There are three broad aspects to the US debt crisis. First, in the current fiscal year (2008) we are spending insane amounts of money on "defence" projects that bear no relation to the national security of the US. We are also keeping the income tax burdens on the richest segment of the population at strikingly low levels.

                              Second, we continue to believe that we can compensate for the accelerating erosion of our base and our loss of jobs to foreign countries through massive military expenditures — "military Keynesianism" (which I discuss in detail in my book Nemesis: The Last Days of the American Republic). By that, I mean the mistaken belief that public policies focused on frequent wars, huge expenditures on weapons and munitions, and large standing armies can indefinitely sustain a wealthy capitalist economy. The opposite is actually true.

                              Third, in our devotion to militarism (despite our limited resources), we are failing to invest in our social infrastructure and other requirements for the long-term health of the US. These are what economists call opportunity costs, things not done because we spent our money on something else. Our public education system has deteriorated alarmingly. We have failed to provide health care to all our citizens and neglected our responsibilities as the world's number one polluter. Most important, we have lost our competitiveness as a manufacturer for civilian needs, an infinitely more efficient use of scarce resources than arms manufacturing.

                              Fiscal disaster
                              It is virtually impossible to overstate the profligacy of what our government spends on the military. The Department of Defense's planned expenditures for the fiscal year 2008 are larger than all other nations' military budgets combined. The supplementary budget to pay for the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, not part of the official defence budget, is itself larger than the combined military budgets of Russia and China. Defence-related spending for fiscal 2008 will exceed $1 trillion for the first time in history. The US has become the largest single seller of arms and munitions to other nations on Earth. Leaving out President Bush's two on-going wars, defence spending has doubled since the mid-1990s. The defence budget for fiscal 2008 is the largest since the second world war.

                              Before we try to break down and analyse this gargantuan sum, there is one important caveat. Figures on defence spending are notoriously unreliable. The numbers released by the Congressional Reference Service and the Congressional Budget Office do not agree with each other. Robert Higgs, senior fellow for political economy at the Independent Institute, says: "A well-founded rule of thumb is to take the Pentagon's (always well publicised) basic budget total and double it" (1). Even a cursory reading of newspaper articles about the Department of Defense will turn up major differences in statistics about its expenses. Some 30-40% of the defence budget is "black"," meaning that these sections contain hidden expenditures for classified projects. There is no possible way to know what they include or whether their total amounts are accurate.

                              There are many reasons for this budgetary sleight-of-hand — including a desire for secrecy on the part of the president, the secretary of defence, and the military-industrial complex — but the chief one is that members of Congress, who profit enormously from defence jobs and pork-barrel projects in their districts, have a political interest in supporting the Department of Defense. In 1996, in an attempt to bring accounting standards within the executive branch closer to those of the civilian economy, Congress passed the Federal Financial Management Improvement Act. It required all federal agencies to hire outside auditors to review their books and release the results to the public. Neither the Department of Defense, nor the Department of Homeland Security, has ever complied. Congress has complained, but not penalised either department for ignoring the law. All numbers released by the Pentagon should be regarded as suspect.

                              In discussing the fiscal 2008 defence budget, as released on 7 February 2007, I have been guided by two experienced and reliable analysts: William D Hartung of the New America Foundation's Arms and Security Initiative (2) and Fred Kaplan, defence correspondent for Slate.org (3). They agree that the Department of Defense requested $481.4bn for salaries, operations (except in Iraq and Afghanistan), and equipment. They also agree on a figure of $141.7bn for the "supplemental" budget to fight the global war on terrorism — that is, the two on-going wars that the general public may think are actually covered by the basic Pentagon budget. The Department of Defense also asked for an extra $93.4bn to pay for hitherto unmentioned war costs in the remainder of 2007 and, most creatively, an additional "allowance" (a new term in defence budget documents) of $50bn to be charged to fiscal year 2009. This makes a total spending request by the Department of Defense of $766.5bn.

                              But there is much more. In an attempt to disguise the true size of the US military empire, the government has long hidden major military-related expenditures in departments other than Defense. For example, $23.4bn for the Department of Energy goes towards developing and maintaining nuclear warheads; and $25.3bn in the Department of State budget is spent on foreign military assistance (primarily for Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, the United Arab Republic, Egypt and Pakistan). Another $1.03bn outside the official Department of Defense budget is now needed for recruitment and re-enlistment incentives for the overstretched US military, up from a mere $174m in 2003, when the war in Iraq began. The Department of Veterans Affairs currently gets at least $75.7bn, 50% of it for the long-term care of the most seriously injured among the 28,870 soldiers so far wounded in Iraq and 1,708 in Afghanistan. The amount is universally derided as inadequate. Another $46.4bn goes to the Department of Homeland Security.

                              Missing from this compilation is $1.9bn to the Department of Justice for the paramilitary activities of the FBI; $38.5bn to the Department of the Treasury for the Military Retirement Fund; $7.6bn for the military-related activities of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration; and well over $200bn in interest for past debt-financed defence outlays. This brings US spending for its military establishment during the current fiscal year, conservatively calculated, to at least $1.1 trillion.

                              Military Keynesianism
                              Such expenditures are not only morally obscene, they are fiscally unsustainable. Many neo-conservatives and poorly informed patriotic Americans believe that, even though our defence budget is huge, we can afford it because we are the richest country on Earth. That statement is no longer true. The world's richest political entity, according to the CIA's World Factbook, is the European Union. The EU's 2006 GDP was estimated to be slightly larger than that of the US. Moreover, China's 2006 GDP was only slightly smaller than that of the US, and Japan was the world's fourth richest nation.

                              A more telling comparison that reveals just how much worse we're doing can be found among the current accounts of various nations. The current account measures the net trade surplus or deficit of a country plus cross-border payments of interest, royalties, dividends, capital gains, foreign aid, and other income. In order for Japan to manufacture anything, it must import all required raw materials. Even after this incredible expense is met, it still has an $88bn per year trade surplus with the US and enjoys the world's second highest current account balance (China is number one). The US is number 163 — last on the list, worse than countries such as Australia and the UK that also have large trade deficits. Its 2006 current account deficit was $811.5bn; second worst was Spain at $106.4bn. This is unsustainable.

                              It's not just that our tastes for foreign goods, including imported oil, vastly exceed our ability to pay for them. We are financing them through massive borrowing. On 7 November 2007, the US Treasury announced that the national debt had breached _$9 trillion for the first time. This was just five weeks after Congress raised the "debt ceiling" to $9.815 trillion. If you begin in 1789, at the moment the constitution became the supreme law of the land, the debt accumulated by the federal government did not top $1 trillion until 1981. When George Bush became president in January 2001, it stood at approximately $5.7 trillion. Since then, it has increased by 45%. This huge debt can be largely explained by our defence expenditures.

                              The top spenders
                              The world's top 10 military spenders and the approximate amounts each currently budgets for its military establishment are:

                              Rank Country Military budget
                              1. United States (FY 2008 budget) $623bn
                              2. China (2004) $65bn
                              3. Russia $50bn
                              4. France (2005) $45bn
                              5. United Kingdom $42.8bn
                              6. Japan (2007) $41.75bn
                              7. Germany (2003) $35.1bn
                              8. Italy (2003) $28.2bn
                              9. South Korea (2003) $21.1bn
                              10. India (2005 est.) $19bn
                              World total military expenditures (2004 est) $1,100bn
                              World total (minus the US) $500bn

                              Our excessive military expenditures did not occur over just a few short years or simply because of the Bush administration's policies. They have been going on for a very long time in accordance with a superficially plausible ideology, and have now become so entrenched in our democratic political system that they are starting to wreak havoc. This is military Keynesianism — the determination to maintain a permanent war economy and to treat military output as an ordinary economic product, even though it makes no contribution to either production or consumption.

                              This ideology goes back to the first years of the cold war. During the late 1940s, the US was haunted by economic anxieties. The great depression of the 1930s had been overcome only by the war production boom of the second world war. With peace and demobilisation, there was a pervasive fear that the depression would return. During 1949, alarmed by the Soviet Union's detonation of an atomic bomb, the looming Communist victory in the Chinese civil war, a domestic recession, and the lowering of the Iron Curtain around the USSR's European satellites, the US sought to draft basic strategy for the emerging cold war. The result was the militaristic National Security Council Report 68 (NSC-68) drafted under the supervision of Paul Nitze, then head of the Policy Planning Staff in the State Department. Dated 14 April 1950 and signed by President Harry S Truman on 30 September 1950, it laid out the basic public economic policies that the US pursues to the present day.

                              In its conclusions, NSC-68 asserted: "One of the most significant lessons of our World War II experience was that the American economy, when it operates at a level approaching full efficiency, can provide enormous resources for purposes other than civilian consumption while simultaneously providing a high standard of living" (4).

                              With this understanding, US strategists began to build up a massive munitions industry, both to counter the military might of the Soviet Union (which they consistently overstated) and also to maintain full employment, as well as ward off a possible return of the depression. The result was that, under Pentagon leadership, entire new industries were created to manufacture large aircraft, nuclear-powered submarines, nuclear warheads, intercontinental ballistic missiles, and surveillance and communications satellites. This led to what President Eisenhower warned against in his farewell address of 6 February 1961: "The conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience" — the military-industrial complex.

                              By 1990 the value of the weapons, equipment and factories devoted to the Department of Defense was 83% of the value of all plants and equipment in US manufacturing. From 1947 to 1990, the combined US military budgets amounted to $8.7 trillion. Even though the Soviet Union no longer exists, US reliance on military Keynesianism has, if anything, ratcheted up, thanks to the massive vested interests that have become entrenched around the military establishment. Over time, a commitment to both guns and butter has proven an unstable configuration. Military industries crowd out the civilian economy and lead to severe economic weaknesses. Devotion to military Keynesianism is a form of slow economic suicide.

                              Higher spending, fewer jobs
                              On 1 May 2007, the Center for Economic and Policy Research of Washington, DC, released a study prepared by the economic and political forecasting company Global Insight on the long-term economic impact of increased military spending. Guided by economist Dean Baker, this research showed that, after an initial demand stimulus, by about the sixth year the effect of increased military spending turns negative. The US economy has had to cope with growing defence spending for more than 60 years. Baker found that, after 10 years of higher defence spending, there would be 464,000 fewer jobs than in a scenario that involved lower defence spending.

                              Baker concluded: "It is often believed that wars and military spending increases are good for the economy. In fact, most economic models show that military spending diverts resources from productive uses, such as consumption and investment, and ultimately slows economic growth and reduces employment" (5).

                              These are only some of the many deleterious effects of military Keynesianism.

                              It was believed that the US could afford both a massive military establishment and a high standard of living, and that it needed both to maintain full employment. But it did not work out that way. By the 1960s it was becoming apparent that turning over the nation's largest manufacturing enterprises to the Department of Defense and producing goods without any investment or consumption value was starting to crowd out civilian economic activities. The historian Thomas E Woods Jr observes that, during the 1950s and 1960s, between one-third and two-thirds of all US research talent was siphoned off into the military sector (6). It is, of course, impossible to know what innovations never appeared as a result of this diversion of resources and brainpower into the service of the military, but it was during the 1960s that we first began to notice Japan was outpacing us in the design and quality of a range of consumer goods, including household electronics and automobiles.

                              Can we reverse the trend?
                              Nuclear weapons furnish a striking illustration of these anomalies. Between the 1940s and 1996, the US spent at least $5.8 trillion on the development, testing and construction of nuclear bombs. By 1967, the peak year of its nuclear stockpile, the US possessed some 32,500 deliverable atomic and hydrogen bombs, none of which, thankfully, was ever used. They perfectly illustrate the Keynesian principle that the government can provide make-work jobs to keep people employed. Nuclear weapons were not just America's secret weapon, but also its secret economic weapon. As of 2006, we still had 9,960 of them. There is today no sane use for them, while the trillions spent on them could have been used to solve the problems of social security and health care, quality education and access to higher education for all, not to speak of the retention of highly-skilled jobs within the economy.

                              The pioneer in analysing what has been lost as a result of military Keynesianism was the late Seymour Melman (1917-2004), a professor of industrial engineering and operations research at Columbia University. His 1970 book, Pentagon Capitalism: The Political Economy of War, was a prescient analysis of the unintended consequences of the US preoccupation with its armed forces and their weaponry since the onset of the cold war. Melman wrote: "From 1946 to 1969, the United States government spent over $1,000bn on the military, more than half of this under the Kennedy and Johnson administrations — the period during which the [Pentagon-dominated] state management was established as a formal institution. This sum of staggering size (try to visualize a billion of something) does not express the cost of the military establishment to the nation as a whole. The true cost is measured by what has been foregone, by the accumulated deterioration in many facets of life, by the inability to alleviate human wretchedness of long duration."

                              In an important exegesis on Melman's relevance to the current American economic situation, Thomas Woods writes: "According to the US Department of Defense, during the four decades from 1947 through 1987 it used (in 1982 dollars) $7.62 trillion in capital resources. In 1985, the Department of Commerce estimated the value of the nation's plant and equipment, and infrastructure, at just over _$7.29 trillion… The amount spent over that period could have doubled the American capital stock or modernized and replaced its existing stock" (7).

                              The fact that we did not modernise or replace our capital assets is one of the main reasons why, by the turn of the 21st century, our manufacturing base had all but evaporated. Machine tools, an industry on which Melman was an authority, are a particularly important symptom. In November 1968, a five-year inventory disclosed "that 64% of the metalworking machine tools used in US industry were 10 years old or older. The age of this industrial equipment (drills, lathes, etc.) marks the United States' machine tool stock as the oldest among all major industrial nations, and it marks the continuation of a deterioration process that began with the end of the second world war. This deterioration at the base of the industrial system certifies to the continuous debilitating and depleting effect that the military use of capital and research and development talent has had on American industry."

                              Nothing has been done since 1968 to reverse these trends and it shows today in our massive imports of equipment — from medical machines like _proton accelerators for radiological therapy (made primarily in Belgium, Germany, and Japan) to cars and trucks.

                              Our short tenure as the world's lone superpower has come to an end. As Harvard economics professor Benjamin Friedman has written: "Again and again it has always been the world's leading lending country that has been the premier country in terms of political influence, diplomatic influence and cultural influence. It's no accident that we took over the role from the British at the same time that we took over the job of being the world's leading lending country. Today we are no longer the world's leading lending country. In fact we are now the world's biggest debtor country, and we are continuing to wield influence on the basis of military prowess alone" (8).

                              Some of the damage can never be rectified. There are, however, some steps that the US urgently needs to take. These include reversing Bush's 2001 and 2003 tax cuts for the wealthy, beginning to liquidate our global empire of over 800 military bases, cutting from the defence budget all projects that bear no relationship to national security and ceasing to use the defence budget as a Keynesian jobs programme.

                              If we do these things we have a chance of squeaking by. If we don't, we face probable national insolvency and a long depression.

                              • 1 vote
                              Reply#20 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:11 PM EDT
                              JH-307896

                              I still say you are an idiot!! You want to stop military spending? What the hell do you think that the number one job of the federal government is? DEFENSE OF OUR COUNTRY. I guess we could quit spending on defense and start throwing money at the poor.(America's poor don't really know what poor is).
                              Let's start letting the environmentalists run the country and just be nice to the people that hate us.
                              Life will be great!
                              Jim - I'm pretty far from being religous and abortion is no longer an issue. It is a scare tactic from the left. And the left is about a third not half.

                              • 1 vote
                              #20.1 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:20 PM EDT
                              Semper Ubi Sub Ubi

                              Proudliberal

                              Thanks for 3402 words of complete dribble.

                                #20.2 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
                                proudliberal-468415

                                You are not defending this country !!! You are defending your own interests in other countries !!! How would you like it if ,let say, an arab country wants to build a military base on your border and then wants to exploit the ressources of canada??? He ??? can you answer this question ???

                                This is what you are doing all over the world in poor countries, stealing their resources !!! and killing the people who want to stop you from stealing their resources... Why don't you google Nigeria or Ecuador ???

                                Educate yourself !!! Poor people in those countries who have so much resources are poor because your government give all the revenue to the elite and the people get nothing !! Sound familiare ??

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                                #20.3 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:42 AM EDT
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                                Paul-246112

                                FROM LE MONDE DIPLOMATIC NEWSPAPER.

                                If I wanted to read a book, I'd go to the library and check out war & peace.. It would be shorter than your posting.. I bet there's not 5 people that read your long winded piece !

                                  #20.5 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
                                  Steve-505729

                                  LOL.. nice copy and Paste... just more proof you liberals depend on other people for your thoughts

                                    #20.6 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:35 PM EDT
                                    Turbull-523516

                                    These are interesting numbers, indeed. But... let me tell you, my friend (I am not McCain, I'm just ordinary Ukrainian guy) If Russia would overspend USA on its military budget, I can easily assume, you'd write your next post in 10-15 years after Internet reopening, but in Russian!

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                                    #20.7 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 2:34 PM EDT
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                                    Jim-372206

                                    JH-307896

                                    FYI, idiot ---- What our government is trying to do in the War on Terror is to bring "Liberalism" to Islamic countries ---- Get on board or you leave this country

                                    By the way,,,, Palin doesn't agree with the McCain's on abortion. The McCain's want to limit it to rape, incest & to protect the health of the mother.

                                    STOP hating half of America & putting your religious views before this country

                                      Reply#21 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:19 PM EDT
                                      rachelc c.

                                      I understand that on Sarah Palin's first time out, on the campaign trail, without McCain in Carson City Nevada, she recited her well rehearsed script about "Beatin' the good ol' boys," selling the ex-govenor's airplane on e-bay and that she's a tough, moose killing, hockey mom - yhatty, yhatty, yhatta! Her appearance was brief; oh yea and once again, she refused to take questions from the press. I'm not surprised that she refused to respond to any questions because that is part of the Palin/McCain campaign doctrine. I don't understand why their voter base aren't concerned about a candidate that won't avail herself for questioning (too much to hide I guess). Thank goodness for the internet because we can get the full story - the bridge to nowhere stuff, the misuse of power to settle personal vendettas etc. Not for nothing but after the McCain camp is finish programming Palin, the soccer moms; the hockey moms; the nascar dads and the pit bulls (with or without lipstick) won't be able to recognize her. Palin/McCain are using this block of voters like tools; after they get what they need from them they will burn that bridge to nowhere well behind them.

                                      Lastly, I'm sick of the the McCain camp playing the gender card. Palin, herself, proclaimed that there is not much difference between her personality and that of a pit bull. She's a gun toting, animal killer who is also known as'Barracuda' and the the GOP is trying to convince us that the Obama camp have offended her sensibilities; how hilarious is that!? Anyone woman that can kill a living creature just for sport is a little more thick skinned than your average girl.

                                        Reply#22 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
                                        proudliberal-468415

                                        I doubt you read the whole article.. Just wanted to let you know what is being said overseas. No propaganda in Le Monde diplomatic... I think you should all subcribe, it would be a big change for you and faux news... It is in english you know..

                                        You people are in big trouble and stuck here.

                                          Reply#23 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:50 PM EDT
                                          proudliberal-468415

                                          And you are no longer the richest country in the world, Europe the secular, is!

                                          That will teach you to spend all your money on weapons and not on the people!! How dumb !!

                                            Reply#24 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:52 PM EDT
                                            Go USA

                                            Last I checked Europe wasn't a country but a continent. Of course, the next time you guys get in trouble, I bet you will be happy we spent SOME of our money on weapons when we show up to defend your secular way of life. Gimme a break!

                                              #24.1 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:02 AM EDT
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                                              proudliberal-468415

                                              http://mondediplo.com/2006/10/03uschaos

                                                Reply#25 - Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
                                                Semper Ubi Sub Ubi

                                                The fact that proudliberal supports obama should be reason enough for all of us run, not walk, over to the John McCain camp.

                                                Democrats, if she is what your party truly stands for, you are screwed.

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                                                Reply#26 - Mon Sep 15, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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