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Pitt donates $100,000 to support gay marriage

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Brad Pitt has donated $100,000 to fight California's November ballot initiative that would overturn the state Supreme Court decision legalizing same-sex marriage.

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Matt Britten

Doesn't say who one donates this money to.

  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
mginther

His "philanthropic advisor" was "surprised." SURPRISE! Why, when a liberal is confronted with another's inability...WAIT!!!...maybe even CONSCIOUS DECISION, to be sucked in and convinced of the 'whatever feels good, do it' mentality that permeates LIBERAL HOLLYWOOD, is it always a surprise? Why is nobody ever allowed by these liberal-thinking, superior beings to have a THOUGHT on their OWN; that perhaps sometimes even doing what is RIGHT for YOU may not be RIGHT...i.e....just because you are BORN that way does not mean it's not a DEVIATION and you may NOT FORCE IT upon the rest of the world just because it is RIGHT for YOU....you do not have a RIGHT to shove it down everyone else's throat! Perhaps you should believe in the sanctity of marriage enough to respect and marry the person who bears your children before you support ANYTHING regarding marriage. This country is drowning in POLITICAL CORRECTNESS....and most celebrities in Hollywood are busy spending billions of their liquidity, or TAX WRITE-OFFS...money PROVIDED BY THE PEOPLE WHO GO TO THEIR MOVIES TO SEE THEM PRETEND....to either help liberal, left-wing, controversial causes, or perhaps spend millions on the unfortunate in other countries, helping everyone but their OWN COUNTRYMEN (there are no children available for adoption in the United States, surely)...in order to perpetuate the wheel of inequity that keeps them earning OUTRAGEOUS, RIDICULOUS salaries for appearing in movies. WHAT A HERO!!! Philantrophy my foot. Is this the lipstick on a pig of which their candidate speaks?! I'm hopeful that this country WISES UP and stops paying these extroverted SHOWBOATS, who have nothing to contribute to real society but their ability to be preened and to play-act, for their overrated, sophomoric way of supporting themselves. HOW EMBARASSING! I wonder if any...ANY!!!...Hollywood celebrity would enlist in the MILITARY to help DEFEND THE COUNTRY that supports them and their causes... like those respected thespians of days gone by? NOPE. NOT A ONE. But they'll sure play 'em in a movie, if the price is right.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
MSullivan

First off, read the article again. The advisor wasn't surprised. The article states Brad Pitt was surprised.

Second, history is full of minorities who have no choice but to go to the courts to attain the same rights enjoyed by everyone else because the majority fears change. If we waited on the "majority" to vote it in, there would also be no inter-racial marriages, no vote for women (and very few rights for them, too), no civil rights, and probably still slavery.

The question I would ask you is...exactly HOW will it negatively affect YOU, personally, allowing same-sex couples in a committed relationship to be legally recognized as a couple?

" [It] ...is repulsive and averse to every sentiment of pure American spirit. It is abhorrent and repugnant. It is subversive to social peace. It is destructive of moral supremacy."
--Rep. Seaborn Roddenberry of Georgia, made in 1911 in his appeal to Congress, when he introduced a U.S. constitutional amendment to ban interracial marriage.

See any similarities?

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:49 PM EDT
don't hate Obama because he's smarter than youExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

it's because of right-wing nuts like you that our country is going downhill and yes it's true that America needs to wake up and NOT VOTE for another right-winged screw up to run our country.
We'll allow you to think for yourself but you probably won't go far because all you think about is how the world should be like according to you, your royal highness. We are not shoving down your throat because we are not asking you to marry a person of the same sex as you. You can still be the breeder that you are and let us be us. Why is it that you think it's ok for you to get married and all that sanctity crap and we can only have "civil unions"? What makes you think that you know being gay is a deviation and that it's not RIGHT? because your bible told you so. Well,unfortunately my bible and your bible are not the same. Mine is more illustrative, less fantastic and a lot more realistic.
Again, it;s because of those right-winged bigots and hypocrites that we are in a war that has no end in sight. When the world becomes a better place, and it will be starting next year, we probably don't need to send those young men and women to defend us while you sit here with your old-fashion, inefficient and certainly out of touch views and values and judge others.

  • 1 vote
#2.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:26 AM EDT
Perry O

it's because of right-wing nuts like you

Just so you know, insults like that are considered inflammatory and are in violation of the Code of Honor.

#1.a. Adding a personal attack to an otherwise valuable comment or article serves only to render that contribution invalid in its entirety. Such content is subject to moderation.

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
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man from uncle

My opinion of Brad Pitt is improving.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 10:35 PM EDT
will-534888Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

You're and idiot and we can tell all you do is read those stupie tabloid magazines and watch TV. You dont know him personally so how can you say your opinion is improving!

  • 1 vote
#3.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:41 AM EDT
man from uncle

will, you better clean your crystal ball, because I don't read "stupie" tabloid magazines and I don't OWN a television. It's time for you to seriously question your own ability to think and reason. I don't know George Bush or the Pope, but I can still have an opinion of them. I never knew Thomas Jefferson, but I still have an opinion of him. So, when I see an actor taking a stand towards fighting for liberty and justice for ALL (not just for hterosexuals), I have the right to say my opinion of him is improving. Read my original post again, in fact, you might want to read it about five times - I said "MY" opinion. Using your reasoning, you shouldn't say "You're and idiot", 'cause you don't know me!

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:15 AM EDT
will-534888

Maybe you SHOULD GET A TV SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON IN THE WORLD!

    #3.3 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:43 AM EDT
    yasmin

    Please follow the COH.

    • 2 votes
    #3.4 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
    Travis3K1

    LOL! You should be a politictian Will. All you do is watch TV. You don't watch TV? You should watch more TV. Yeah, that's the ticket!

      #3.5 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 5:59 PM EDT
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      Fearing Obama

      My opinion of him just went downhill significantly.

        Reply#4 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:02 PM EDT
        don't hate Obama because he's smarter than youExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

        you should because you don't deserve to be associated even the slightest bit with someone who is so inspiring and who does the right thing.

        • 1 vote
        #4.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:07 AM EDT
        SteveHouse

        Ouch--Please refrain from personal attacks, per the Code of Honor.

        • 1 vote
        #4.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:23 PM EDT
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        pk-466004

        If you are basing your vote on an actor's opinion for the president, I would tell you to ask for a part in a movie.

        • 1 vote
        Reply#5 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
        JustinPM

        Funny that we've had an actor president whom Republicans consider just shy of canonization and no one seems to remember him as an actor.

        • 1 vote
        #5.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:09 AM EDT
        HeatherWithaC

        Part of why people don't remember Reagan as an actor was because he was a B-list actor at best.

          #5.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
          JustinPM

          Check out The Killers. It's a movie based on an Ernest Hemingway story. It's a pretty good flick, it even has Lee Marvin in it. And it has the distinction of being the only movie that Ronald Reagan is the bad guy in it. Criterion has a pretty good DVD edition that has the old and newer versions.

            #5.3 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:14 PM EDT
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            pk-466004

            Oh and btw, donate 2 million to the U.S. to fight Aids. Why not start here at home, since we pay you big bucks.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#6 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:30 PM EDT
            HeatherWithaC

            It's his own money. They (Pitt and Jolie) earned it, they can spend it how they want. It's their right to choose to spend that money in another country, which also happens to be the birthplace and native country of one of their children.

            You have the option to donate money to your alma mater because that school has a connection to you and your life. Why don't you donate money to every college and university in the country? And so it is, they chose to give their money to support a country that has a connection to their daughter and her life.

            Furthermore, they have given money to support charities and philanthropies in this country. Pitt himself has given a lot of money and a lot of his own time and labor to the greater New Orleans area relief and reconstruction efforts.

            • 4 votes
            #6.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
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            mginther

            I don't know whether to be GLAD that this story isn't garnering much attention....or to be mad that people aren't reading my big, loud opinion. I'll take GLAD that not as many people base their way of life on the way brad pitt goes. :)

              Reply#7 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
              LINNY-534401

              There are so many other causes in our country that could have used this money. Put it towards good use Brad Pitt...stop adopting children from other countries and support your own country

                Reply#8 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:43 PM EDT
                HeatherWithaC

                Am I on glue, or did he not just give this money to an American cause? And then there's that whole New Orleans relief and reconstruction effort he is a part of. New Orleans is still part of the United States after all.

                I will also be sure to pass on your anti-foreign adoption opinion to every American I know who has adopted from abroad. I will tell my aunt and uncle that they shouldn't have adopted two kids from Ukraine and my cousin and her husband that they shouldn't have adopted their two kids from Russia. I will also tell my friend her parents shouldn't have adopted her siblings from Chile and my coworker that she shouldn't have adopted her child from Ethiopia. Let's not forget to tell John and Cindy McCain that it was a bad choice to adopt their daughter Bridget from Bangladesh.

                There are thousands of children who are adopted from other countries by Americans every year. Make sure you personally attack each and every one of them for making the choice to love, parent, educate, and provide a healthy, safe life and home to these children who need someone to do that for them. Let's not forget that after their adoption, these children become Americans and grow up to contribute to our country the same way as any other American child.

                • 4 votes
                #8.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:44 AM EDT
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                MSullivan

                .

                • 2 votes
                Reply#9 - Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
                pook

                Wow. When celebrities drop $100k on a cause like gay-marriage, they have far too much loot. I could find 100,000 more worthy causes that could actually change lives, maybe even save them.

                I'm not sure what to think when I see celebrities make as much money as they do.

                Brad Pitt entertains us, he doesn't perform live saving heart surgery. He makes a few contributions to some worthy causes, but nothing that actually puts a crimp on his lifestyle--nothing that actually puts him out on a limb. What he donates is a drop in the bucket. Of course, he does more than a lot of other celebrities; but, as far as deserving a round of applause for his charity work, not so much.

                When I see people donating time they don't really have and giving half their earnings to something they truly believe in, I'm amazed. I'm impressed.

                  Reply#10 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
                  don't hate Obama because he's smarter than youExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  I absolutely agree. SO if you idiots and bigots with your broken moral compasses stop trying to keep us from having the liberty and rights to get married to whomever we choose, then we can move on to the "100,000 more worthy causes". So STOP because you know that you will lose.
                  He's not endorsing or encouraging people to vote against that retarded Proposition 8. He's just doing what he thinks is right and that it is a cause that is worth fighting for.
                  Some people can be doctors, some can be lawyers and some can be ..guess what... actors. So to you who is oh-so-mighty saying that he doesn't deserve "a round of applause for his charity work", look in the mirror (no matter how awful the sight is) and see if you are in the position to judge others.

                    #10.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:02 AM EDT
                    will-534888

                    Obviously you are not as smart at you think! Obama made the statement that he is going to campaigne in all 57 STATES! I dont know how long you have lived here but we have 50 STATES. The Islamic nations have 57 states! Wake up before it is too late! Its people like you that think the know everything, that really no NOTHING!

                    • 1 vote
                    #10.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:24 AM EDT
                    doris912

                    Will 534888- did Obama really say he is going to campaign in all 57 States? If so how come that hasn't been on the news big time, since everything that Palin breathes is all over the news, dissected and trashed? I am curious when he said that? I don't understand why so many think that Obama speaks the truth in what he will do, we don't know him, he just talks but we haven't seen a thing he actually does. We have seen lots that McCain has done. No one in Obama's family that I know of, has served in the military. Think of this one, Islam men do now allow women to have a say in anything, Obama totally cut down Hillary left and right, when his wife said too much she disappeared from the scene, now Palin, he is totally destroying her, he is acting like she is the enemy and running for president, it's pitiful how he treats women. There were also comments on how he talked about his grandmother, not very kindly at all, he made her out to be some sort of racist. Then imagine, he calls himself an African-American, so therefore denying his white heritage, after all he is 50/50, biracial. Oh my therefore he is also ignoring the biracial group.

                      #10.3 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:46 AM EDT
                      will-534888

                      Yes he did say it on the night he accepted his nomination. I was appauled that he didnt even know how many stated were in the US and he wants to be President! That remark was very scary to me as I know he is from Muslim descent. He as also written two books, Dreams of My Father and The Audacity of Hope. Here are excerpts take from HIS OWN BOOKS:

                      From Dreams of My Father: 'I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.'

                      From Dreams of My Father : 'I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother's race.'

                      From Dreams of My Father: 'There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.'

                      From Dreams of My Father: 'It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.'

                      From Dreams of My Father: 'I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father's image, the black man, son of Africa , that I'd packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.'

                      and last but not least...the scariest one of all:

                      From Audacity of Hope: 'I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.'

                      Do we really want him as OUR President! I dont think so!

                      • 1 vote
                      #10.4 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:59 AM EDT
                      yasmin

                      Please stay on topic. This article is about Pitt and his donation, not Obama.

                      • 2 votes
                      #10.5 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
                      SteveHouse

                      Not to mention that every one of those quotes has been formally debunked. It's all bull@!$%#.

                      • 1 vote
                      #10.6 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
                      will-534888

                      nope sorry, I HAVE THE BOOKS!

                        #10.7 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:20 PM EDT
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                        Dawn-308170

                        Brad Pitt is a freaking moron. He's freakin old and does not have any appeal anymore. He needs to support the gays because that's all he can get nowadays. If I am correct Angelina Jolie was a dude in a past life. Brad Pitt lives in his own world where anything goes as evidenced by his home life. Angelina Jolie has homosexual as well as incestual quirky impulses as evidenced when she kissed her brother on the mouth. Need I say more.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#11 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:36 AM EDT
                        HeatherWithaC

                        I think he's sexy. I also enjoy his movies.

                        "Angelina Jolie was a dude..." Hillarious. Too bad she has always been female, as evidenced by the fact that she has been some what of a public figure her whole life due to having a celebrity parent.

                        • 2 votes
                        #11.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:49 AM EDT
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                        JustinPM

                        Good for him. Sure $100,00 for this issue could have been used in a better place, but then again, who is at fault for this? Pitt for standing up for people's rights, or people that want this right to be stripped away?

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#12 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:11 AM EDT
                        will-534888

                        Do you want to pay out benefits like I do as an employer for same sex marriages. I certainly do not! But as a business owner, I dont have a choice because of people like you. Gay marriages should be banned in the US as well as being able to insure a domestic partner. If you dont like the laws here, the MOVE SOMEWHERE LIKE DENMARK! Everything goes there!

                          #12.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:16 AM EDT
                          JustinPM

                          Well, that's an excellent and rational response. Yes, yes I would have benefits the same. Indeed, people like me. So, please do tell, why should gay marriages be banned? And as for the if you don't like it, you can just leave, do you honestly think that's what the founding father's of this nation would want their political discourse to be?

                          • 2 votes
                          #12.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:29 AM EDT
                          will-534888

                          Our founding Fathers would not agree to same sex marriages. Our constitution was based on biblical principles so I do believe if they were still here, they would agree that this is not what they meant when writing.

                            #12.3 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:41 AM EDT
                            HeatherWithaC

                            Will, it wouldn't cost you any more to pay the benefits of a same-sex employee couple as it would to pay the benefits of a hetero employee couple. I guess you are just a cheapo business owner.

                            • 3 votes
                            #12.4 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
                            will-534888

                            I believe that if a couple is not of the same sex and their marriage is only recognized in certain states, then I should not have to cover them with insurance, just as I would not have to cover my neighbor just because the live next door!

                              #12.5 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:02 PM EDT
                              S16949

                              will-534888 said "Do you want to pay out benefits like I do as an employer for same sex marriages. I certainly do not! But as a business owner, I dont have a choice because of people like you."

                              Your greed is showing. The same greed that brought down Fannie. Freddie, Lehman
                              I personally would boycott your business if I lived in CA

                              • 1 vote
                              #12.6 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:05 PM EDT
                              will-534888

                              I would love you too as I wouldnt want people like you in my business!

                                #12.7 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:17 PM EDT
                                Perry O

                                Hey, I don't want to pay out benefits for opposite sex marriage. Why should I be expected to pay for someone else's lifestyle choice. I say ALL marriage should be banned.

                                • 3 votes
                                #12.8 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:13 PM EDT
                                SteveHouse

                                Our constitution was based on biblical principles so I do believe if they were still here, they would agree that this is not what they meant when writing.

                                Ah yes, biblical principles like "Congress shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free practice thereof..." Making a law because God said it first is de facto endorsing a religion. Hence against the Constitution. Not to mention, what the hell are the gays doing to you?

                                • 2 votes
                                #12.9 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
                                HeatherWithaC

                                Will, I don't think you have to worry about paying for same-sex partner benefits as it is obvious that you would never hire a homosexual.

                                Of course, if you overcame your prejudice and did hire a homosexual employee, you would want to give them the benefits they were legally entitled to if you actually valued that individual as an employee. If not, they will find another company who will pay and will do great work for them. If you live in a state where same-sex partner benefits are not required, then you have nothing to worry about. If you do live in a state where it is required, tough luck.

                                • 2 votes
                                #12.10 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:59 PM EDT
                                JustinPM

                                We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

                                So if they are created equal why shouldn't they have equal rights?

                                • 2 votes
                                #12.11 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:39 PM EDT
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                                Lulamae

                                It seems to me that the money given by Brad Pitt was: his to give from money he earned. The rest is really nobody's business. How he and Angelina live, who they choose to adopt, where they live, where they work is also not our business. Brad is an actor, he works for his money. He gets paid for his work, whether it is a huge amount or not is also not our business.
                                He does deserve a round of applause for his charity work and generosity. He is spending a lot of time and money in New Orleans to help restore the city. I do not condone gay marriages and I would have preferred Brad spend his money on just about any other organization than that one, and I am not against gays. I do not know his reasoning, so I will withold judgement and ask that if any of you have $101,000. to spend on opposing gay marriages then please come forward and donate it. The best thing is to look for the positive in a person, in experiences and if things aren't going the way you believe, work for change. Volunteer, vote, take action. I do not believe one can compare civil rights to gay marriages. I also do not believe in condeming or judging gays. I believe in tolerating, loving,respecting, just not marriage for gays. I do support the right Brad has to donate his money as he sees fit.

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#13 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:41 AM EDT
                                mginther

                                If it wasn't our business, he would not have publicists make sure we read about it.

                                • 1 vote
                                #13.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:30 AM EDT
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                                will-534888

                                My opinion of Brad Pitt has continued to decline for several months now. Don't you have something worth while to donate your money too! I can not believe that you would support Same Sex Marriages! of course, if you can stand to be with Angie (who by the way has been with EVERYBODY" then I guess same sex marriages would be right up your alley. You are such a LOSER! I have absolutely NO respect for either of you as you continue to adopt and have children, the we get to see POOR ANGIE whining all over the place about how tired she is...WELL DUH! Welcome to mother hood! I have 5 children and not once did I lay in bed wanting people to WAIT on me hand and foot. You two deserve each other as NEITHER of you have a BRAIN!

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#14 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:54 AM EDT
                                HeatherWithaC

                                Angelina has been with everybody? How was she Will?

                                I guess I'm not her type because she hasn't been with me.

                                • 3 votes
                                #14.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:55 AM EDT
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                                will-534888

                                Did you ever see same sex marriage in the Bible? I dont think so, try reading it once in a while, you might learn something!

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#15 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:57 AM EDT
                                man from uncle

                                Will, you gotta' read your Bible and not just listen to what Rush says. Jesus (remember him? He's the Son of God and one third of the Trinity) never mentioned homosexuality. He did, however, say in three of the Gospels and in the book of Romans, that a man who marries a divorced woman is committing adultery. Do you have a problem with paying for benefits to spouses of remarried, previously divorced employees? Don't use the Bible to justify your own prejudices! I strongly advise you to read Matthew 7:22-24. Now, if you want to go only by what is in the Old Testament, then you had better be living your own life following the Law.

                                • 3 votes
                                #15.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:22 AM EDT
                                will-534888

                                awww. You are so mistaken. There are several verses in the Bible where is clearly states a marriage is between a man and a women. God created Adam and Eve, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!

                                  #15.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:46 AM EDT
                                  HeatherWithaC

                                  I pretty sure the Bible also teaches us to love our neighbor and respect all. If you believe that same-sex couples are going straight to hades, that's your belief. However if that is the case, they aren't taking the rest of us with them, so leave them alone. They make their choices, and we make ours.

                                  Personally, I believe that God created us exactly as we are, which means that God also created some people to be homosexual, the way he created some people to be born with disabilities, brown hair, pale skin, or hairy backs. It's your job as a Christian to learn to live with and help everyone, not to condemn them. Leave the final judgement to the one you pray to.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #15.3 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:01 AM EDT
                                  man from uncle

                                  Will, First off, don't just say there are verses, give us some. Second, the Church's stance really should be based on John 18:36: "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. But now my kingdom is from another place." The believers in this country really do need to learn their history about what happened in Europe when the Church and the state were one. So, the Church should stay out of earthly government.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #15.4 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
                                  Perry O

                                  Did you ever see same sex marriage in the Bible?

                                  What about David and Jonathon?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #15.5 - Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:51 AM EDT
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                                  Jana-333997

                                  Can't wait until he and Angelina have to accept "same sex" relationships for 1 of their children. Let's see how excited he is then.

                                  He is nothing but a liberal. Homeosexuality is a choice and marriage is suppose to be between 1 man and 1 woman. Nothing else is marriage.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#16 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:05 AM EDT
                                  will-534888

                                  I totally AGREE with you!

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #16.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:16 AM EDT
                                  SteveHouse

                                  Any reason what others believe holds no sway here? In a democracy? How do you justify not allowing the rights to one group (homosexuals) that another group (heterosexuals) enjoy?

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #16.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
                                  God bless America

                                  Well stated.

                                    #16.3 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:09 PM EDT
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                                    mkm-534945

                                    Brad and Angelina are donating all this money to different causes, how much are they donating to food banks and the red cross and other organizations to help the Americans after such diasters like Ike???

                                      Reply#17 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 8:49 AM EDT
                                      HeatherWithaC

                                      How much are you donating?

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                                      #17.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:03 AM EDT
                                      Perry O

                                      Five million dollars.
                                      Link

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                                      #17.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
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                                      RScottyL123456789

                                      People should be able to love one another and get married no matter if they are different sex or the same sex (gay/lesbian). This country needs to show that it should be all about love and caring for one another.

                                      I agree with mkm-53945 on the fact that Brad and Angelina are sending so much of their money out of the country. They need to keep it in the country and donate where people really need it, such as the Red Cross, the homeless, food banks etc.

                                        Reply#18 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:28 AM EDT
                                        HeatherWithaC

                                        They are donating it to charities and philanthropies here in the USA, and even to diaster relief efforts as evidenced by their work in New Orleans. It is their money to spend and donate as they choose, not based on the selfish opinions of random internet posters. How nice of them to share it with multiple countries (including the USA) for the betterment of humanity everywhere.

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                                        #18.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:05 AM EDT
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                                        mginther

                                        AHHHHH to "don't hate obama cause he's smarter than you....".... VERY predictable. Actually, I'm not a religious zealot, and sorry, but I don't read the bibe. I do know where the entire idea of marriage came from...and I don't believe you get to have the same rights as me, because what you want is DIFFERENT. Why is that such a bad thing...to have a "norm" and to fight for my right to keep it sanctified? HAVE a civil union, sweetheart. Don't say you HATE ME and everything I stand for, and then fight for the right to BE LIKE ME. I never said I hated anyone. And don't EVER think I don't understand what the military does for this country...I have a husband fighting for your rights to voice your opinion, strange as it is, AS WE TYPE THIS, and a son who has already enlisted. Pull in your nails and read it again. Yes, it does say his adviser is 'surprised'...first line, baby. He's surprised more people don't think like Brad. You don't surprise me...if you get your panties out of a twist and actually make a good argument, instead of relying on the "if you don't like what i want, you must be a bigot or a racist!' remark...that's a one-note song, and it's getting old. I am neither a bigot nor a racist. I just don't agree with what you do or want, and that is MY RIGHT. You may shove legalizations down my throat, but you will NEVER be able to make me think what you want, just because it's easier for you. Yes, I DO think you're born that way, and I DO think it's an aberration. I'm relying on science for that, not religion. You should calm down and look at who is spewing hate.

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                                        Reply#19 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:29 AM EDT
                                        don't hate Obama because he's smarter than you

                                        "Norm"- who are YOU to define the "norm"? And I don't "hate" those who stand for what they believe in and yes I do think that people should have their views and opinions on issues like this but I think you are narrow-minded and the world is not just for you and your lopsided philosophy. And please don't call me sweetheart. We are not friends and probably won't be. The premise of my argument is not "if you don't like what i want, you must be a bigot or a racist!" but "if you don't like what i want, then don't start defining terms like the "norm", "deviation" and stop trying to get people to think the same way as you". DO you really think we (homosexuals) go out and actually "recruit" heterosexuals, like you, to think the same way as we do? NO, we don't because we are NOT looking for your APPROVAL of anything. If you think we want to BE LIKE YOU, you must be on some kind of drugs. We don't want to be like you, believe me. WE WANT WHAT IS SOLELY OURS, OUR RIGHTS OF LIBERTY! What kind of science are you relying to come to a conclusion that being GAY is an aberration. LET ME ANSWER THAT, SCIENTOLOGY, perhaps. Unfortunately, with good souls like Brad Pitt, this fight for the cause has turned from being a "one-note song" to a FULL ORCHESTRA SYMPHONY! Whether you like it or not.
                                        Just as a side note, maybe one day your grandchildren, if not your children, will come to you and tell you that he/she is gay. Or maybe someone who is really close to you. What will you do? Tell them that they will go to hell because you think that it is an "aberration". Believe me because it will happen.

                                          #19.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
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                                          txmom32

                                          I think Brad Pitt needs to pay more in taxes, the state of California could certainly use it and Biden could view him as a real Patriot.

                                          I am so tired of all the feel good, stupid legislation clogging up the Governmental process. Doesn't the legislative system of California have a few more important things to focus on?

                                            #20 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:42 AM EDT
                                            JustinPM

                                            You also have to think about this in the negative aspect of things. Don't people who oppose gay marriage have better things to focus on?

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                                            #20.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:52 AM EDT
                                            txmom32

                                            JustinPM...It is possible you have a valid reason that Gay and Lesbian couples should be married in the eyes of the state. I have yet to hear a reason that validate the need to the point of making special interest legislation. Please enlighten me.

                                            I am a heterosexual, I celebrated my marriage in the Church 12 1/2 years ago. I received a license from my state 12 1/2 years ago. I am married in the church and licensed by the state. I could care less what the state calls it as long as it is not confused with my Christian right to marriage.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #20.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:02 AM EDT
                                            man from uncle

                                            And if there was a pending proposition to amend the state's constitution to invalidate your right "Christian" right to marriage, would you be bothered by it? Or would you say, "That's okay", my former right was just "special interest legislation"? And, pet peeve here, how much less COULD you care? It's just my guess, but did you mean "I COULDN'T care less"?

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                                            #20.3 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:26 AM EDT
                                            txmom32

                                            man from Uncle...The state represents no authority in my church to denigrate my marriage. That is part of the whole church and state separation.

                                            Now if they want to cancel my license then my darling dear one and I could choose the legal route to assure our cohabitation rights. We could also ditch the marriage tax benefit and file separately. As I am not employed, because I am a stay at home mom, I could file taxes with no income, claiming my three children as dependents and clean up on entitlement programs.

                                            Now, I actually could possibly care less. I can empathize with the hardship of same sex couples to exercise legal authority for their partner. I can empathize with the frustration of not being covered by a committed partners insurance. I can empathize with the need to make sure that a partner is cared for after death or separation. These however, are not rights guaranteed me by the church rather by the state license.

                                            I don't get the chip people carry about the importance of having a "Marriage". Why is it important to attack the Church in order to receive comparable states rights?

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #20.4 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:59 AM EDT
                                            man from uncle

                                            The Church is attacked when it's members use it as an excuse to deny equal rights for all citizens.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #20.5 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:36 AM EDT
                                            will-534888Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                                            You are such a stupid person. You are surely a Methodist!

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                                            #20.6 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:07 PM EDT
                                            man from uncle

                                            Now, Will, name calling is the last resort of someone who has no hard facts to back up his argument.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #20.7 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
                                            txmom32

                                            will-534888...I take it you are not Methodist. Perhaps Baptist or do you represent one of those groups that bites the heads off snakes? Maybe you profess to have a direct line to God?

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                                            #20.8 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:29 PM EDT
                                            Cubs Fan in FL

                                            txmom32, Amen to what you are saying. The sanctity of marriage has been preserved by the church for over 2 thousand years, and we don't need legislation redefining it. If the gay community wants equality, then they should create their own terminology for their own alliances and leave mine alone.

                                            As for Mr. Pitt and his charitable work in New Orleans, that is done through his foundation rather than from his own finances.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #20.9 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:17 PM EDT
                                            Perry O

                                            He has pledged to match $5 million worth of contributions for the project

                                            Link

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #20.10 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:23 PM EDT
                                            Cubs Fan in FL

                                            His foundation has pledged to match. This is money that comes from fundraising, not from his own pocket.

                                              #20.11 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:33 PM EDT
                                              Perry O

                                              Sounds to me like he is pledging to match donations to the foundation. How can he use foundation funds to match donations to the foundation?

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #20.12 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:51 PM EDT
                                              txmom32

                                              Wouldn't his foundation qualify for tax exempt status? Now how is that truly fair when it is involving itself in political issue? Maybe the IRS should just take a look see.

                                                #20.13 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:12 PM EDT
                                                SteveHouse

                                                It is possible you have a valid reason that Gay and Lesbian couples should be married in the eyes of the state. I have yet to hear a reason that validate the need to the point of making special interest legislation. Please enlighten me.

                                                I have yet to hear a reason the government controls marriage.

                                                You are such a stupid person. You are surely a Methodist!

                                                Please abide by the CoH, #1.

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                                                #20.14 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:35 PM EDT
                                                man from uncle

                                                Cubs fan, okay, we'll create our own terminology rather than use the one preserved by the Church for over 2 thousand years. Maybe we'll use the one that Chinese society (definitely NOT a Christian society) has been using for, hmm, about 3 thousand years, at the very least. Now, what is the English translation for the word they use? . . . OH, it's MARRIAGE! Whoops, you'd better give the term back!

                                                  #20.15 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
                                                  txmom32

                                                  SteveHouse. The Government should not control marriage. Marriage is a Faith based tenant. The License offered by the state is a tool to instill legal rights for couples. There is no reason that tool could not be extended to include committed same sex unions (all the people). So we could as a nation consider taking marriage related legislation and converting it to partner legislation. This would offend no one and allow personal inequities to be met.

                                                  The objection I have is my marriage (the vow I made to my partner, my sacred promise, to state to God my intentions to love and honor my Husband) is not something I care to have confused with my legal rights bestowed by my state.

                                                  I am very tired of Gay and Lesbian groups assaulting my faith based marriage in order to get states rights they should not be denied. I'm all for separation of Church and State. I have no problem with a Gay or Lesbian couple taking marriage vows in a Church if it is truly for spiritual reasons and a part of their litany. I would like Gay and Lesbian organizations to stop mocking my commitment to my opposite sex partner.

                                                    #20.16 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 3:04 PM EDT
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                                                    cityofangels1

                                                    I used to think that men marrying men and women marrying women was just ridiculous. Now I enthusiastically support gay marriage. Homosexuals should have every right to be able to go through the emotional and financial pain of divorce. I am a lawyer specializing in family law, so I will be the one to benefit most from this.

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                                                    Reply#21 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:09 AM EDT
                                                    mkm-534945

                                                    I donate to the Houston Food bank every year. And the Ronald McDonald House and various other organizations in the Houston area. And you??

                                                      Reply#22 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 12:42 PM EDT
                                                      Cubs Fan in FL

                                                      Can we get a couple of things straight here? First of all it is the gay community pushing their agenda on to the straight community. Case in point-have you ever heard a straight person call a press conference to announce that they are heterosexual and for everyone to accept their lifestyle? Secondly, why does every celebrity need to announce their "charitable" donations? I don't tell everyone what I tithe to my Christ centered church each time. And third, fellow Christians please argue with knowledge. Don't just say what the Bible says, support your case. In this case Romans 1:26 says "Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion."

                                                      For those who want to bash me as a Bible thumper, you have the right to your lifestyle, but please don't try to change mine. marriage is defined in the Bible as the union between one man and one woman until death. Have your civil unions, life partners or whatever else, just please leave marriage alone. It's sanctity has been preserved for over 2 thousand years. In addition, as a Christian I don't hate gay people, Christ commands for us to love one another. However he also commands us to avoid sin. This means that while we may disagree on the lifestyle, we don't hate each other.

                                                      As for Mr. Pitt, it's his money. I simply pray that he would find a true purpose for his magnanimous gestures.

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                                                      Reply#23 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
                                                      SteveHouse

                                                      Case in point-have you ever heard a straight person call a press conference to announce that they are heterosexual and for everyone to accept their lifestyle?

                                                      Oh come on. Do you expect white leaders in the 60s to have needed to announce their whiteness and ask for acceptance? When it comes to having to push for people to accept a lifestyle that isn't hurting anyone, that usually is a sign of oppression.

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                                                      #23.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
                                                      man from uncle

                                                      Throughout my working career (going on 40 years), I have subsidized YOUR lifestyle. If you are a worker with a husband or wife, and you die, MY social security tax dollars will help support your spouse and children. If you have a non-working spouse, MY tax dollars allow you to claim him or her as a dependent on your income tax. If you have children, MY tax dollars allow you to claim them as dependents on your income tax. MY tax dollars pay for educating your children. I don't have a partner, but if I did and shared my employee health benefits with him/her, those benefits would be taxable on the part of my partner. "Marriage" is the key to equality with sharing benefits, joint property rights, and medical and funeral decisions. If you don't want us to have equal rights, then I would suggest one of two things: 1. Give us a hefty tax deduction to counter-act all the years of us subsidizing your lifestyle, or 2. Do away with survivor benefits for social security, do away with income tax deductions for spouses and children andfinally, tax the health benefits that are given to spouses and children of every worker - then we can have true equality.

                                                        #23.2 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 4:44 PM EDT
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                                                        mginther

                                                        Dearest "don't hate obama because he is smarter than you"....My definition of "norm" comes from the whirlwind of arguments stemming from whatever deviates from the years-long, natural way of things...such as your argument. Believe me, I didn't mean "sweetheart"...but I did get your reaction, so it worked. Nope, not a scientologist, either. You can keep yelling at me and calling me names...what it boils down to is you DO want what I have, you DO want acceptance, and you think you have a right to force it. YOU DO NOT. You want people to think as you do and have no reservations...when in REALITY, you can't FORCE THAT to happen. It's not that people have been "taught wrong" or are ignorant in every case of disagreement, as much as you wish that were true. It's that people, whoever they were created by (I do not have that personal knowledge or faith), were physically created ONE WAY MOST OF THE TIME, and you can't argue with that. And no, I don't think you "recruit"...because I truly think who, in their right mind, would put themselves through what a gay person must go through to FORCE ACCEPTANCE, ON PURPOSE?!?! Are you kidding me? I FEEL SORRY for you. I'm SORRY that you have to live your life on the defense...but trying to force people like ME to ACCEPT and RESPECT YOU for what you do in your own bedroom IS STUPID and IGNORANT. It's like the old standby...you can't send an pary invitation with your 6-year-old to school anymore unless you invite all 40 in the class. Pretty soon all those who got invited by default have to stand up to the idea that it is YOU...not the majority...who ruins things for the rest of us. The needs (or desires, in this case) of the few do NOT outweigh the needs (or the desires) of the many. Find another label...I am not religious, I am not racist, I am not bigoted, I am not ignorant, I am not a scientologist....HMMM. Maybe I'm mainstream, and not AFRAID of that?? I can disagree with you without HATING YOU or calling you names. You don't get a SYMPHONY. You have my SYMPATHY. But not my vote. Because you are wrong.

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                                                        Reply#24 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 1:07 PM EDT
                                                        SteveHouse

                                                        Please use the Reply button at the bottom of the post you're responding to. It makes the thread easier to follow.

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                                                        #24.1 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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                                                        justme-520125

                                                        Did Brad and Jolie ever marry? He wants others to have the right but doesn't do it himself-despite raising SIX children together ???? odd

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                                                        Reply#25 - Thu Sep 18, 2008 2:09 PM EDT
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