Candidates have negotiators wary

Snyder - I believe there is hope for you yet - a known McCain supporter and you make this comment??? "hell hath frozen over"...

A McCain supporter! Me!!!! Suh, those are fighting words! I am a Democrat suh and a proud one!

"Ladies and gentlemen! The President of the United States of America! Barack Hussein Obama!

Dear Mr. Snyder - my deepest apologies - I got you mixed up with another poster... duh me... bad DA bad... well it is late... please forgive...

All is forgiven suh. It happens to eveyone once in awhile.

;-)

Get a room!
Interjection of presidential politics in it! You got to be kidding me like Obama and McCain Have not all ready interjected presidential politics? One said fundamentals are strong and the other said Hell I don't know we just wait and see if the bomb goes off.
Sheeze we are doomed Obama =Tweedledee and McCain=Tweedledum what a choice for 2008

Both got richer in a Bush economy and both took money from the turds that caused this mess and neither gave it back.

Well, McCain said the fundamentals of the economy is strong, but Obama didn't say or do anything remotely related to your statement, so I suggest you read a few news articles before you post.

Well OK I give you he didn't say that, that was my interpretation he actually said "I will wait and see"
This is what convinced me that's what he meant and caused me to make that interpretation.
Barack Hussein Obama II Was elected to the Senate in November 2004 in Sep/2005 Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005 came to the floor and McCain said I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.

Obama Said : "PRESENT!"

memers - can you tell me WHAT SOLUTION McCain has ever provided America??

I am waiting.... what solution has McCain ever provided America??

Wow - that poster is what you call a cut and run... sortof like McCain and the friday night debates...

Could anybody tell me what solution McCain has ever provided for America?? Just curious mind you, with 20 plus years in congress I would expect SOME TYPE OF SUBSTANTIAL LEGISLATION....

Well, if ya hold your mooses, Palin will find out for ya and get back to ya on that one!!!!! LOL

You've got to be kidding or are you just fooling yourself. Yes, McCain has done things in the past....helped with the deregulation along with his buddies in the Republican party of every institution that wanted to press down on the middle class. He is the one to blame, certainly not to praise. Of course he can't talk or express himself. His puppet-masters write and dictate to him what to do. Rove, Bush, Cheney are going to continue to laugh at us all the way to the bank. McCain, the grandstand speaker, has ended his political career by cutting off his nose to spite his face. Now he can retire and sit on his porch(s) with Bush et. al. and rock the rest of his life away.

Devils.Advocate-please explain an important solution that Obama has provided? I have disagreed with a lot of what McCain has done over the years, but simply saying that McCain has done nothing is completely ABSURD!!!!

Fisherman-we all get that you hate the republicans, especially McCain/Bush. But after reading all your posts, is it possible to have you post something intelligent for all of us to debate?

Actually, it's 26 years for McCain and he helped pass the legislation that caused this mess. He's always been a corporate tax break/deregulation kind of guy. So what things he's done as far as the financial sector go have been bad, but you're right, IV, he did do something. Too bad for us!

Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae's regulator reported that the company's quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were "illusions deliberately and systematically created" by the company's senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae's former chief executive officer, OFHEO's report shows that over half of Mr. Raines' compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator's examination of the company's accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs–and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.

In this speech, McCain managed to predict the entire collapse that has forced the government to eat Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with Bear Stearns and AIG. He hammers the falsification of financial records to benefit executives, including Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson, both of whom have worked as advisers to Barack Obama this year. McCain also noted the power of their lobbying efforts to forestall oversight over their business practices. He finishes with the warning that proved all too prescient over the past few days and weeks.
What was this bill? The act would have done the following:
(1) in lieu of the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight of the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), an independent Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Agency which shall have authority over the Federal Home Loan Bank Finance Corporation, the Federal Home Loan Banks, the Federal National Mortgage Association (Fannie Mae), and the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation (Freddie Mac); and (2) the Federal Housing Enterprise Board.
Sets forth operating, administrative, and regulatory provisions of the Agency, including provisions respecting: (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting.
It never made it out of committee. Chris Dodd, then the ranking member of the Banking Committee and now its chair, was in the middle of receiving preferential loan treatment from Countrywide Mortgage, one of the companies gaming the system in the credit crisis. Meanwhile, Barack Obama took hundreds of thousands of dollars from the lobbyists McCain mentions in this speech, making him the #2 recipient of Fannie/Freddie money:

Good post Bob - I don't hear anything from Devils-advocate or Fisherman. Those two clowns can't take the truth.
Come on you two, you asked what McCain did, here's your answer. Problem is the democrats (Barney Frank especially) blocked this legislation.
You two clowns are typical democrats. Don't let the truth get in the way of your agenda.

Bob,
You seem to have left a few things out. In 2005 the Republicans were in charge of both the White House and the Congress. Who sponsored this Regulatory Reform Act? Also who were the members and the Chair of the Committee other than Dodd when this took place? Also list their party. This act never got out of Committee and was never voted on by the Senate was it Bob? Also you mentioned than Obama took hundreds of thousands of dollars from the lobbyist but you failed to mention it was from the employees. You also failed to mention that McCains campaign manager Mr. Davis' firm was paid MILLIONS, not from the employees but from the Executives themselves, and that the payments were made until last month. That would make his firm receiving much more than Obama wouldn't it?
Bob, McCain is known for his photo opportunity stunts that like Palins "road to nowhere" have no chance of accomplishing anything except press coverage. McCain is a "Maverick" when it benefits him, not others. He suspended the first day of the convention because he did not want Bush and Cheney to speak. He and Bush were eating cake when a major hurricane hit New Orleans. We constantly hear about him being a POW but not one word of the 58,000 names on the wall in Washington DC that paid a much higher price than he did. You see Bob, 29 names on that wall were my Marine Corp friends that I know died fighting for their Country. Now he wants to get the press for leading the cause for the Wall Street bail out. Rather than being involved all along and giving advice without the press, he jumps to breaking news to cancel the debate to go help America. BUT HE HAD TO HAVE THE PRESS. Obama called him without the press to issue a joint statement to help the situation. His phone doesn't work?
We all know this will turn into an ad next week. Look what I did, My Name is John McCain and I approved this message.

McCain is also known for his assault on the constitution known as McCain-Feingold. At least the supreme court gets elections right....

JH

The Democrats blocked legislation at a time when Republicans controlled every branch of the government??

So that would make the Republicans either completely inept or completely ineffectual - which one is it?

Please dont even get me started on THE UNPATRIOT ACT - that piece of sh^t legislation needs to go.... how could the public and our congressman ever have been fooled into jumping on that bandwagon... mind you, I know they wanted to make the public feel protected, but to give up personal freedoms for security is never a good thing....
we CAN have person freedoms and security... BAN THE PATRIOT ACT... it is 100% in direct confrontation with the Bill of Rights... SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HAVE RUSH TO JUDGEMENT LEGISLATION????

You are right...we are broke! I know first hand. The day I closed my rest., my husband came home and said he had been laid off. Two days later the only grocery store in town closed it's doors and filed Chapter 11. Three months later we lost our house and our daughter was taken "legally" by a family member because we could not provide for her financially. We saw this coming. We warned everyone we knew. When a bank can foreclose on you and you are not even late. They can do it legally, they call it equity preservation. They did it to us....we had $18,000 in our savings, they took it. I have docs to back everything I am saying. This is true. Now, 10 months later...We live in a different state. I am a gardener....was a chef. My husband is a maintenance man....was an exec with a major logistics company. But hey, I've got a roof, food and a warm bed. Life is good. I will never put my money in a bank ever again. Good luck to you all.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
~Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

Ben had it right, ageless wisdom.

JP - YOUR comment is asinine... What, you think McCain is GOD?? he is going to wave his magic wand and make all our woes go away?? He has been and continues to be part of this problem.
And you claim Obama is putting Americans before his campaign - hardly... "fools rush in where wise men fear to tread..." - didnt McCain just declare days ago our economic system is fundamentally sound and then a day later suggest forming an economic committee (yeah spending MORE money for another useless committee"
you are right - your opinion is *meager*

JP-
"To think that a stupid debate is more important than the future economy of this country is asinine."

Presidential debates are NOT stupid. Hello? Democracy shouldn't crumble due to this crisis.
Nixon and Kennedy had debates within day's of bombs going off in this country. Consider how this looks to the rest of the world,for just a second. "Hey, 'ol McCain can't walk and chew gum at the same time,what if enemies attack from all four sides,will he "suspend" his current path so easily?"
Surely don't dislike McCain,just can't grasp how a strong man would politicize this so easily.
Because it surely must be the only reason,certainly not intestinal fortitude.

The Senators and Congressmen addressing this issue are on the appropriate committees to do so. McCain is not on any of these committees and therefore does not belong there. Strictly a political move. Like he can make a difference - he and the deregulation crowd are the problem and they are unfit to be part of the solution.

If our "democracy" crumbles due to McCain misssing a debate, it was not very strong in the first place.
As to McCain not recognizing this 'crisis' or speaking out on it, you need to look back a few years ago when Sen. John McCain did speak out against what we are seeing now and tried to intorduce legislation to correct. He got squashed by the Dems and some of his own party. Maybe McCain is the 'change we need'.

From the Congressional Record...
"Mr. President, this week Fannie Mae's regulator reported that the company's quarterly reports of profit growth over the past few years were "illusions deliberately and systematically created" by the company's senior management, which resulted in a $10.6 billion accounting scandal.
"The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight's report goes on to say that Fannie Mae employees deliberately and intentionally manipulated financial reports to hit earnings targets in order to trigger bonuses for senior executives. In the case of Franklin Raines, Fannie Mae's former chief executive officer, OFHEO's report shows that over half of Mr. Raines' compensation for the 6 years through 2003 was directly tied to meeting earnings targets. The report of financial misconduct at Fannie Mae echoes the deeply troubling $5 billion profit restatement at Freddie Mac.
"The OFHEO report also states that Fannie Mae used its political power to lobby Congress in an effort to interfere with the regulator's examination of the company's accounting problems. This report comes some weeks after Freddie Mac paid a record $3.8 million fine in a settlement with the Federal Election Commission and restated lobbying disclosure reports from 2004 to 2005. These are entities that have demonstrated over and over again that they are deeply in need of reform.
"For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
"I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation."

Considering Mcaine isn't even on this commission,all people were asking him to do was USE THE PHONE, drum up support to help fix the problem,he hasn't been to congress in 6 months,and during this time of potential economic disaster hasn't picked up the phone until Obama called him,Your approval of Mcaines Jerry Springer tactics is just unbelievable,Next president is gonna have to be able to MULTITASK,this proves only how scared Mcaine is to debate,or it is a ploy to switch pres debate for the VP,to hide Palin as long as possible.Maybe mcaine will have a nice long nap in his office while he waits for someone to tell him what to do.

Travelinman post 5.4--------Thank you for posting the McCain statement from the Congressional Record.

Thanks again Travelinman !!!

like it ot now devil HE IS A SENATOR first! He was invited to the table by Sen Reid, I do not like McCain myself, but he is DOING HIS JOB WHAT HE IS PAID TO DO. It is just a sorry state that Sen O did not do the same until his advisors forced him too. Apparently he thought HE was more important than the economic crisis we are in. I do not he was abit "peeved" when they ( the entire panel ) cut his demands for a broad sweeping economic stimulis plan, perhaps the he is just "pouting" that experience has once again won out, no worries he is going back to washington too, perhaps there is a box marked present that he can check.

Obama has been in touch with Washington constantly and hasn't wanted to politicize the affair like McCain has. McCain has spent the last week and a half flip-flopping all over the place with ideas. (Let's study this for a while, wait! Fire guy #1, fire guy #2, I'm a deregulator, well deregulation caused this, what I meant to say was Fannie and Freddie caused this and I worked to fix that, oh did I mention a little regulation is good, blah blah blah...old man yells at cloud.) He admitted yesterday that he hadn't even read the proposal yet, but he's been mouthing off about for over a week. Is that what you want your President to do?

Obama, on the other hand, made a measured statement about waiting to see what the proposal was, then when he read it he came out with some of the exact proposals that McCain is now embracing. He also said that he could go to Washington AND be in the debate. He never said he wouldn't go to DC. He just wasn't planning on horning in on the negotions and politicizing them. It is a select group of people that each party has sent to work through it. That's all. Plus, he thinks he can do more than one thing at one time. Maybe you haven't followed this on a daily basis, frances, or your reading comprehension needs some work.

As for being peeved... I've never seen Obama peeved. I have seen McCain peeved several times. I think you may be projecting the anger issues on the wrong man.

McCain, a politician of more than two decades knew full well what was coming down the pike. The McCainanites don't want to admit that his own admission that he voted with "Bush 90% of the time" puts blame squarely on his shoulders for refusing to apply due diligence to the economy.

How does anyone spend 23 years in Washington and not know a financial crisis is coming, especially when his own campaign advisor was involved with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac?

Bush is in too too much of a hurry to ram $700 billion down our throats. Is this a feudal system where the serfs are put to work for the kings? Furthermore, through what constitutional amendment does Bush and Cheney have to cite for a government takeover of these financial institutions when it was their duty to regulate them in the first place?

I can't muster an ounce of pitty for greedheaded Wall Street bimbos who took risks and now think they can get someone else to feel the pain. So they have to learn to live on salaries the rest of us call middle class. Boo Hoo!

Read The Wrecking Crew and Shock Doctrine, fear is their favorite tool

Randal - *sigh* you forget the FEAR-FACTOR is the Republicans greatist weapon - its what got all those people to rush out to the stores and buy masking tape to tape their windows and doors against chemical warheads - HAR HAR HAR... (sorry folks couldnt help it....)

Reminds me of those old 50's and 60's atomic bomb propoganda tapes we were shown - you know the ones, when the airraid sirens sound, you duck and cover under your school desk, put your hands over your heads and bend over and kiss your A$$ goodbye...

Oh, and let us not forget the FEAR FACTOR about abortion or the FEAR FACTOR for little grey haired old ladies that republicans are looking out for the nest eggs the democrats want to rob, never realizing that their assets are worth 1/2 of what they were eight years ago...

FEAR MONGERING AND REPUBLICANS GO HAND IN HAND - thats why I picked Obama who wants hope and change... If he doesnt provide it, in four more years we pick another leader.

Hey DA if you haven't read those two books read them soon. I was aware of most of the things they write about in there but they tie everything together. I was the mitlitary intervention expert for Sane/Freeze (the commitee for a sane nuclear policy) back in Reagan/Bush years so most of it didn't come as a big surprise to me but I am glad that people are finally brave enough to expose it and that the books are getting national attention.

Outraged - I also suggest every American watches the documentary THE ATOMIC CAFE...
it will show you just how much the Government manipulated the American People during the cold war...
And if you think that tape Duck and Cover was hilarious - on a sobering note, they have this Nationally Televised News Segment where they explode this atomic bomb and then send in 100% BLACK TROOPS to do manuevors... After the manuevors, they interviewed the Black Captain in charge and asked him what that little badge was on his chest....

He points to it and says, "oh this badge - this badges is for my protection - it turns red when I have received a lethal dose of radiation" please note... there was no inbetween color - it just went from green to red.... or dead... depending on how you want to look at it...

Hey kids, it is a 'high conspiracy alert day' according to The Weather Underground Channel, so don't forget to wear your tinfoil hats. What a bunch of maroons!

Well that explains why Mcaine wants to go to war with Russia,and why the Georgians are paying him so well

Michelle-What the hell are you talking about???

McCain promoting fear and being a warmonger. I believe that's what she's talking about.

Promoting Fear and being a warmonger??? Are you serious? Is it possible to have a serious debate on this blog? Why don't you go and blog on Daily Kos or MoveOn, etc. That is where you belong!

Linda - havent you been watching the news... Everyone has already said that their presence in Washington would not accomplish anything at this point... A nice political gesture perhaps but not anything personal they can do about it...

I dont want POLITICAL POSTURING RIGHT NOW - I WANT A FRIGGIN DEBATE TO SEE WHICH PERSON IS QUALIFIED TO RUN OUR COUNTRY... and I sincerely doubt the debates are going to be ANYTHING like the primaries - BUT IF THEY ARE... I hope McCain once again shows how arrogant and disrespectful he is by sniggering and snickering at Obama like he did to the other Republican candidates in the primaries - in particular RON PAUL WHO was trying to foretell the American Public this crisis was coming...

I wish RON PAUL had turned to McCain and asked "what sir do you find so amusing that you disrespect a fellow congressman this way??" but alas RON PAUL was too much of a gentleman to call McCain out...

Linda- You are so correct and every thing you said was completely logical!

LR,

You need to learn how the government operates. The appropriate legislators are working on the problem. At this juncture Obama and McCain run the risk of just getting in the way.

Thanks Linda....McCain is actually showing leadership by showing up to help with this disaster.
Yes, he hasn't been in his senate seat since April but we haven't had any problems this big either.
This whole article is making something McCain does right look wrong and I can tell that's what the angry democrats quoted in this article are trying to do as well. They're just upset Obama didn't get back in his senate seat first and maybe learn how to do his job.

There's no point in having debates on any of these message boards with the likes of people totally manipulated by the most liberal extreamist journalism produced by MSN and the holy word of Obama with his empty promises on his website. They really need to to some research on Obama's hidden agendas and his communist friends who put him in power in the first place. McCain might have attitude problems but at least we know everything about him (thanks to the media) and he's trying to do his job.

Since, looking at some people posting here, there are so many who are so easily manipulated by "watching the news" and can't think and do research for themselves it's likely Obama will be president and maybe after 4 years we MIGHT still have the freedom to bash the Democrats for messing up our country like we hamstring Bush today. I actually look forward to it....let the Dems have complete control. (I just hope we still have our jobs after 4 years)

Let's vote for Obama!!! He's not Bush!

why don't you look up how Congress works on things,not everyone is ever there to work these things out, it's kind of like too many cooks in the kitchen get nothing done,that's why a few are chosen ,there is thing thing called the telephone also which Mcaine hasn't been using(until Obama called him that is) to figure anything out.Mcaine is just running scared.All Mcaine will be doing in Washington is hideing in his office takeing a nap until someone tells him how to vote.

Devils.Advocate-First off it was the Democrats who asked McCain to way in on the problem (Reid especially). So now that he is, everyone is now bashing him for it! Typical liberals.

But there is one thing I do agree with you on (for once!), and that is your remarks on Ron Paul. He has/is dead on when it comes to the economic policies in this country. I unfortunately can't vote for him due to his foreign policies.

"scuse me but didn't Senator Reid INVITE mcCain to the table?
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
maybe just maybe McCain is a bit more bipartisan then we all think
I am just saying

Actually Reid didn't invite him. This is what is reported as having happened....

McCain called Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi to propose that joint meetings with Obama and congressional leaders be held quickly, according to leadership aides. Reid spokesman Jim Manley said Reid responded by reading McCain his public statement, in which Reid said it would not be helpful for the candidates to come back and inject presidential politics into the negotiations.

Reid later told reporters that McCain "is trying to divert attention from his failing campaign."

Reading retention rears it's ugly head again, frances.

I'm just saying....

McCain should be there. He should get up in front of the nation and tell everyone that Barney Frank was responsible for blocking legislation that could have stopped this problem years ago. Now people say to leave to the committees in charge? That is the problem! Barney Frank is trying to cover his rear end!!
Barack and John and Joe are senators. THEY SHOULD BE THERE.

You are ignorant of how your government works,take a civics class

Unless you have a few billion in investments, what are you so concerned about? The same whiners who rant that the government takes their money for Social Security, Medicare and other social programs can come up with $700 billion in a week? Who's kidding who?

If that $700 billion had been there all along, why wasn't it used for the crumbling bridges or to help restore New Orleans which after 3 years still is waiting for help? If that $700 billion was so easy to accommodate, why wasn't it applied to shore up Social Security?

Sure makes a liar out of Bush and Cheney doesn't it? Wasn't it three years ago, Bush was marketing privatized retirement accounts because Social Security was collapsing? (So he claimed).

Gee...If Bush can come up with $700 billion so quick, seems to me, there's something stinky in the White House.

I sure as hell don't trust Barney Frank or Chris Dodd either!!!

Too bad. This is what Chris Dodd said in February 2007...

U.S. bank regulators are leaving consumers with poor credit exposed to deceptive mortgage-lending practices, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd told Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.

Dodd cited a December letter he and five committee colleagues sent to regulators, including the Fed, urging them to expand consumer protections for subprime mortgage borrowers, those with weak credit who are typically subject to higher interest rates.

The response, that regulators were thinking about the issue, ``was a little inadequate,'' Dodd told Bernanke today during the Fed chairman's semiannual appearance before the committee. Dodd said he was concerned ``about the predatory lending practices that go on'' in the subprime market.

lol
This is a nice version of events, but they are events that didn't happen, mary.

January 20, 1953 - Dwight D. Eisenhower, former five-star Army general and Allied commander in Europe during World War II, is inaugurated as the 34th U.S. President.

During his term, Eisenhower will greatly increase U.S. military aid to the French in Vietnam to prevent a Communist victory. U.S. military advisors will continue to accompany American supplies sent to Vietnam. To justify America's financial commitment, Eisenhower will cite a 'Domino Theory' in which a Communist victory in Vietnam would result in surrounding countries falling one after another like a "falling row of dominoes." The Domino Theory will be used by a succession of Presidents and their advisors to justify ever-deepening U.S. involvement in Vietnam. This quote comes from "The History Place"

WHO STARTED THE WAR????? check your facts out last time I checked IKE was a Republican. He might not have declared war but he sure got us up to our armpits in it before any Democrats...and I agree, Vietnam should never have happened.

and thank God McCain is one who most often is a fly in Bush's ointment especially on big issues!!!
He also is most often the repub to step across the aisle and facilitate resolution (along with a few dems who do the same.)
I am also glad- if he is present- that Obama will be there to bring some new ideas to the table- if the democrat leaders let him... he has the most recent local legislative experience and has worked at the state level on foreclosure legislation.
I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the debate should be rescheduled. I will boycott it as campaign political antics if it is held!!! I would not even be interested in it at all until this bill is passed, rewritten, in essence- resolved.

Mary,

You do not have a clue. Please take your ignorance to another site.

LOL mcaine with some brains!!! Insane in his membrane,a healthy brain is needed not Mcaine's Or He is banking on the ignorance of people like you who are clueless as to how the gov. works.

lol, Mary!

I love the clueless sheep!

You do realize that McCain finished at the bottom of his class, has admitted that economics isn't his forte and barely passed his math classes in school, right?

There is no question that all want the band-aid,the republicans want the golden parachute,and or take away cap. gains taxes,Some are saying no if mcaine needed to drum up support all he had to do is use the PHONE

Like your listening to Bill now,LOL sooo funny, USA might need a woman but def. not that woman!

lol Watch her interview with Katie Couric. Another clueless Palin gem! Heck, even Laura Bush said she wasn't prepared for the job.

Being a woman is not a political platform. For the love of God.

Vote with your brain, not with your 'equipment' please.

there is Ron Paul - you know, the guy who wants us out of Iraq ASAP... the one that hates the feds who inflate our money printing more and more of it out of thin air... the one who predicted this economic crisis, the one who REALLY wants to Unite America... the ones the republicans hate because he calls the modern day republicans out for who they are - neo-con religeous fanatics...

But alas Ron Paul is not running for third party - This Paulite turned to Obama for change... if he doesnt produce in four more years maybe Ron Paul again... he looks ten times better and sounds ten times better than McCain at about the same age...