California voters ban gay marriage

Affirmative Action - Equal rights require equal representation. Figuring out what is "equal" is tricky."

How about a person's education and experience for starters?

Can we start with equal pay for women? I'm tired of being "penalized' for my body parts :)

Gambling is already taxed. Did you think Casinos were like churches and have tax free status or something?

Can we start with equal pay for women?

Get out of the 70's....you already get equal pay for equal work.

Actually, facts show that women are still paid less than men who perform the same job.  The latest information that I read from NOW had women at 75 cents to a man's one dollar.  We've come a long, long way but there's still work to be done.

You believe NOW,that's as bad as believing Obama...

Ooops.  I forgot about minumum wage.  I wonder how high Obama and a Democratic congress will raise it.  A rise in minumum wage will push more jobs overseas, cause inflation, raise the poverty line, and furthur cut the buying power of the middle class.

martvol ; These moron Obama supporters can't even imagine what is about to happen to them.In 2 years when the Bush tax cuts go away and every American (and those who voted for Obama) will get a huge tax increase.Gun rights will go away.And affirmitive action will run amok even though it is obviuosly no longer needed.

Gold,

Thats not right......funny. but not right.

I am a conservative and I think marijuana should be legal.It should be sold in bars to adults and taxes from those sales should be used exclusively for closing the border to cocain,heroin,meth.,and opium.

And I don't believe in smoking pot,but going to crowded jails for it,come on.Save the room for those really hurting people.

Ok, here are my views on:

Immigration - you want to come to this country badly enough, learn to speak English, get a job, pay your taxes, and work hard.  Only then can you respectfully call yourself an American and achieve the American dream.

Abortion - Roe vs. Wade was a tough battle.  And it established women's rights to terminate a pregnancy.  And it is a woman's body--shouldn't it be each woman's decision?

Gambling - legalize it--put money into our roads.

Gay Marriage - if gays are good enough to pay taxes and vote, they're good enough to marry, too, and create families for the hundreds of thousands of unwanted children in the system.

Illegal Immigration - Allow anyone willing to speak English, adapt to our customs and prove a productive member of society should be able to come in and stay.  Anyone who doesn't behave or play by the rules can just stay at home (or else be shipped out).

Affirmative Action - They should end affirmative action.  More evils have been adapted under the guise of affirmative action than anything else on the workplace--what ever happened to hiring the most qualified individual?  Meeting quotas seems like a lousy way of hiring or running a business, IMO.

Thank you, Matt, for allowing us to express our opinion--because it is just that, each other's opinion.

Can we start with equal pay for women? I'm tired of being "penalized' for my body parts :)

Sounds like a good starting place to me.

Gambling is already taxed. Did you think Casinos were like churches and have tax free status or something?

I know it's already taxed. But people love to do it. I live in California where the gambling laws are tricky. I'd love to see more casinos spring up here, and send a little less of our tax revenue to Nevada.

I totally agree with Max, too. Smoking pot makes me bored and makes me fall asleep (which I can actually do for free) but, hell, I've met plenty of people who would probably be happy to pay for a little boredom and sleep. Let's let them have it.

nada, you do get equal pay for the same job classification you are in. if you have evidence to the contrary, the eeoc will gladly sue on your behalf.  however if you think as a clerk you should be paid the same as an engineer or accountant because your job is "worth" the same as college educated professionals, you should quit your job, go watch oprah, smoke crack and wait for your gummit check.

Affirmative Action??  I believe we just saw the max extent with Obama being elected.  Least qualified individual running but elected anyways because of skin color. 

Gay marriage??  Who cares?  As long as those freaks don't attempt to feel me up or force thier adopted children to live their life style. 

Cheeto63

Good point on 'affirmative action'! The affirm action folks will need to find something else to talk about now. The cap has been put on that issue.

Wildweasel: Women get paid less. Your statement to the contrary is false. Women working the same job as men make an average of 78 cents on the dollar. There is a plethora of information available about this. It is simply fact that women make less, on average, while working the same job. It's not secretary vs. engineer. It's secretary vs. secretary and engineer vs. engineer.

The problem is that, to do anything about it, a woman has to "prove" in court that she makes less because she is a woman. This is nearly impossible to do, since any evidence has to be based on proving what someone else thinks.

I found out that our office manager throws away any resumes that sound "black" or "ethnic".  We work in a commercial construction company where most of the subcontractors hire Mexicans and South Americans to do the actual work because they work harder and don't get paid as much (sad but true).  I used to work for a car auction in the south.  I noticed one day that our entire crowd was white and asked our owner what was up.  He said he never noticed.  Because I had befriended several of our dealers I found out that our outside sales rep was quite the racist and that the complexion was not going to change.  I talked to the owner and commenced on bringing in two new dealers a week as VIP's just to look over our small operation.  We went from 150 cars sold a week to over 600 a week in a little less than a year with the majority of our crowd now people of color and other ethnicities.  Racism in this country is alive and well.  Sen Obama's victory will hopefully start to expose these people to an educated hard working man of color so they can quit trading thier stories of how all black people are lazy and just suck up welfare.  Let's hope.

Zom zom

Where can I get that information?

PDub

Are thosae Mexicans and South Americans..here legally?

Sneilarrea,

I have never figured out how to post links into Newsvine. However, if you open Google and run a search for Pay Equity, the very first site that comes up is "pay dash equity dot org." That site has plenty of info about it. You'll have to look through the .pdfs, because most of the front-page stuff is just propoganda stuff, not the actual reports. But there are a lot of reports linked to from that site that clearly show that women get paid less.

From the main page, pick the "Pay Equity Information" tab from the bar on the right, and that will take you to a page that links to tons of reports.

most of the front-page stuff is just propoganda stuff,

Sounds like a reputable source.

Propaganda as in statements in support of views that most people visiting the site already hold. Propaganda as in a "hurray" for the site. Not as in lies. Buy a dictionary and learn what words mean.

Immigration:  Caused by a lack of self-control and overbreeding.  When you got to many people in a country with only so much money to go around, people move.  When they move, the issue of self-control is never resolved.  Over-Breeding is the number one cause for poverty, disease and human rights issues. 

Abortion:  An act of irresponsiblity and relentless selfishness.  It's like saying you'd rather " Get Off " then take responsibility for the natural consequences of your actions.  It's an unnatural act to kill the future to justify your addictive behaviors.  But should it be a freedom to have one?  Sure.  Should we promote it?  No.  May God or death be the judge of aborted actions. 

Gambling:  It can be fun, it can be self-destructive.  Once again self-control comes into play, fiscal responsibility.  Who do you effect in your life when you excessively gamble?  What do you have when you gamble it all away?  Nothing and No One.  

Gay Rights:  I've never corelated Minority/Culture with being Gay.  What you choose to do with your private parts is a choice as opposed to being born black/white/hispanic.   Some may argue genetics, evolution, etc...  But if you argue that, you are basically saying that people have no choice in life because their gentics told them to act this way or that.  This perspective is abosultely ridiculous and unfounded.  I see it as a more developmental behavior more than genetic.  Again, people have a right to have sex with anybody they wish (consentually), but stop promoting and asking for special privelages.  Hell, I'm single and enjoy it.  Should I knock down the government's door and ask for the same financial rights and married couples?  It's not fair right?  Frankly, I have more money in the bank by not having kids/getting married. 

Propaganda is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people. As opposed to impartially providing information, propaganda in its most basic sense presents information in order to influence its audience. Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus lying by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented. The desired result is a change of the cognitive narrative of the subject in the target audience to further a political agenda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

That's what my dictionary says.   What does yours say??

Should I knock down the government's door and ask for the same financial rights and married couples?

The rights that are important aren't for you. They are for spouses. It's not about singles wanting tax breaks like married people. It's about making sure that health care covers spouses and that things like life insurance go to spouses. You argument that sexuality is a choice is, by the way, stupid.

You're a man, right? Obviously you're straight. Do you find other men attractive? Do you want to sleep with them? I'm guessing not. If you are not turned on by other men, it's not because you are choosing not to be, any more than I dislike the taste of pickles because I'm choosing to. Pickles just taste bad.

What about naked women? Does pornography give you an erection? Is it because you're choosing to have an errection, or does it simply happen that, when you see naked girls being sexual, your weiner responds positively? You're not choosing, and you know it.

And, by the way, almost all higher mammals, to some degree, do practice homosexuality (dolphins, chimps, dogs, et cetera). To pretend that it isn't evolutionary is simply not a view that is supported by blatant facts. People do not choose their sexuality. There may be lots of factors that contribute to sexuality, but it is not something that people choose. Genetics, evolution, social context... whatever. It isn't a choice, and passing laws to discriminate against it is dispicable.

Propaganda often presents facts selectively (thus by omission) to encourage a particular synthesis, or gives loaded messages in order to produce an emotional rather than rational response to the information presented.

That's exactly what mine says. Did you misunderstand some of those words? Or did you simply misunderstand what I said? Yes. On the website, the front page posts comments that do not include opposing arguments, and put a positive spin on the contributor's positions. You seem to be focusing on the parenthetical "(thus lying by omission)" while ignoring the "often" part.

As your own definition states:

Propaganda is a concerted set of messages aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people.

It's true. When you set up a website to advocate for something, you often deliver messages that advocate it. Yes. It is propoganda, the way that it is propoganda for politicians to state "I will decrease the taxes of most Americans" as both Obama and McCain stated. What they said was true. They weren't lying just because "most" doesn't mean "all." Similarly, just because the site supports pay equity, it doesn't mean that the site is "lying" by not including opposing arguments. It means that they are presenting arguments which, naturally, is almost always, in any context, propoganda.

And it is your choice to put the intelligence and moral integrity of mammals at the same par as humanity...  Biologically homosexuality does not work, the nature of it is physically unplausiable.  Don't you choose who you go to bed with?   If not, can I call you Fido? 

You know, just like any addict, people try to justify their actions, however abnormal, through science, religion or just hanging out with fellow addicts.  If there was a self-help group I know of I would definitly pass it along. 

Um, Peter, I hate to break this piece of first-grade science to you but: Humans are mammals.

You can call me anything you want.

And if we're going to talk about "abnormal," what about clothing? It's unnatural for people to wear clothes. What about driving cars? Those are certainly unnatural (I checked around in Michigan--there are no Ford trees). What about using the internet? That's pretty unnatural. So... wait... you mean that just things that you don't like and are unnatural? And what, exactly, is immoral about homosexuality? It doesn't hurt anyone else--you said so yourself. So where are the ethical implications? Oh... that's right... they're in Leviticus. That book in the Torah that says it's also immoral to wear clothing made out of two different fabrics, and that a woman is unclean during her menstrual cycle, and can't share a table with a man.

Well, as long as we're both on the same page about pickles tasting bad, it's close enough for me.

Gay rights activists took it for granted that all Democrats would vote against Prop. 8 in California.  Wrong!   I voted for OBAMA/Biden and "Yes" on Prop. 8.   My husband and I never talked about same sex partnership in our house, so we never injected any ideas to our children.  However my 7-year-old daughter's first reaction about same sex marriage was "Gross! ". When 2 opposit sexes get together they reproduce.  If 2 people can't reproduce naturally (except for infertile couples), then something is not right.  Simply put, marriage is between a man and a woman, and to teach our children otherwise is just wrong. 

Science classifies humans as mammals, I agree, but our intelligience and moral compass and awareness surpasses any other mammal, Fido.  Maybe I should have clarified what I was trying to imply so you can understand... Sorry. I'll be more specific. 

It's unnatual to wear clothes?  What about during the winter?  Doesn't your body have a desire for heat?  Cars?  They are made and powered from natural elements.  Internet unnatural?  Also a natural invention by humans, not other mammals, by immulating frequencies found in nature -- and the need for communication is a natural human need. 

I know abnormal may be a harsh word to hear and you will justify it to the very end.  But asking the governement for the same rights as reproductive married heterosexuals is just taking it to far.  People are tired of the whining and complaining.  Isn't it enough to share the short time in this world with the one you love? 

I'm straight, by the way, so it's not me you're offending.

If cars are normal, clothing is normal, and the internet is normal, I'm not clear how it is you're clasifying homosexuality as "abnormal." I mean, if you're claiming that it doesn't exist in a state of nature, you're, first: wrong. Second: cars, clothes and the internet don't exist in a state of nature, either. Body piercings don't. Athletes who build their bodies specifically to perform in the shot-put, don't. So it's abnormal to do only this one class of thing with our bodies?

Either what's "unnatural" includes anything man-made, or it's a totally meaningless term. If you simply mean that it is "abnormal" because it is not practiced by the majority, I'd say that makes things such as working at a doctor's office, or at a school, or at virtually any job would also be "abnormal," since there is no occupation that employees more than fifty percent of the population (and, therefore, there is no norm by which to judge other occupations). So, either you want to call it unnatural, but approve of other unnatural activities, or you want to call it abnormal and approve of other abnormal activities.

Either way, it makes you a hypocrite.

By the way:

But asking the governement for the same rights as reproductive married heterosexuals is just taking it to far.

Was frequently said of slaves and women, as well. And yet, it remains a load of bull****.

And, to Repub.turned.Dem:

However my 7-year-old daughter's first reaction about same sex marriage was "Gross! ".

When I was seven, the idea of sex with anyone (especially between the two heterosexually married people I knew best--my parents) was also extremely gross. Ask her again when she's eighteen.

Came here to comment on the gay marriage ban and found a bunch of right wingers spouting off the same policies that got them where they are today. LOL

Immigration- we are a nation of immigrants as long as they abide by our current standards (which are pretty strict) I encourage them to come.  Many of us wouldn't been here if it wasn't for immigration. We can't stifle our American tradition.

Abortion- Education, a well-funded counseling support base, and an increase in medical technologies and prevention methods are the only true way drastically cut the amount of abortions.  We have to cut abortions down and we can't allow a ban that could inflence medical advice, increase postpartum murder/suicides, and create an underground abortion butcher shops like they had in the fifties.

Gambling- Don't care as long as its done repsonsibly and legally. 

Gay marriage- suprisingly, California passed a law limiting the mistreatment of animals, but authorized a law that mistreated humans.  This is America, Government shouldn't be allowed to infringe on gay American's right to marry.    

Illegal Immigration- tough issue. Think it would be more cost effectiveto go after companies who hire immigrants and exploit them, than to go after the immigrants themselves.  Face it, if there were no jobs to be had there would be no one coming over our borders to work.  People with children should be given a path to citizenship.  Anyone born on our soil is American, they didn't have a choice on what their parent's did.  I don't believe in splitting families apart. 

Affirmative action- Can't be gotten rid of until it is no longer needed.  There are some people, like Obama, who have broken the barriers. But women and minorities are really underrepresented in the senate, as governors, military leaders, and they are even none existent  some jobs such as high paying corporate jobs or even as an airplane pilot!  There is racism and sexism that still exists, and until we seriously invest in education and get our citizens on par as some of our Asian and European competitors, we can't honestly say we are giving everyone, black, white, hispanic, asian, native americans etc. an equal shot.

equal pay for equal work- the fact that we are debating this proves that affirmative action is still needed. 

It has never ceased to amaze me that some people seem so insistent on denying the rights for their fellow citizens to commit to another human in a loving relationship with the thought that in so doing it apparently somehow diminishes their own marriages or the "institution" of marriage, as if it were a tangible, depleteable resource like a tank of gasoline.  For some reason that I cannot fathom, they have concluded that "marriage" has far more to do with the genitalia of those who wish to enter it than their willingness to love and commit to each other.  Kevin Federline and Britany Spears apparently had the right tabs and slots therefore making them legally able to marry after knowing each other for only 2 days, and we all know how successful THAT marriage turned out to be..........

"Harsher penalties for companies that knowingly hire illegals and do not do check any paperwork or identification given."

Hell to the yes.  And a huge yes to everything else you said.  Everything.

Gambling is already taxed. Win a big jackpot, they report it to the IRS and you better declare it on your income. Win the lottery and they take the taxes out before they give you a check. The taxes paid by the AC casinos have been put towards improvements in AC and all of Jersey.

As for me Idon't want the government mandating living arrangements, wages, condoning gambling that unequally robs the poorest of our citizens.  The government has plenty to do, maintaining  roads schools, police and the military as well as overseeing the banks, Pfft!  Maybe an independant agency should do that. The less they do outside of essential services the better I like it. 

Carlos Toadvine

I am with you...I don't want government mandating or 'approving' anymore of my life or lifestyle. But unfortunately many today want government to take care of them and they have no idea of how high the consequences are for turning your life and/or lifestyle over to the government.

Gambling already is taxed. Did you think Casinos and race tracks were tax exempt or something? Atlantic city would still be the wasteland it was in the late seventies if it weren't for the tax revenue from the casinos.

If you win a big jackpot on the lottery your taxes are taken out before you even get a check. And ALL the proceeds from lotteries go to the sponsoring state already.

3sheets2thewind

What do you mean by easier for immigration? How easy should something so imortant be to obtain?

sheets

I do agree w-you on protecting the borders, and to make it easier for (productive) people to come into this country, i also should add that it should be the same for all people unlike cubans who come here and as soon as they touch the USA they become elegible for ligalization thats is not fare for everyone else

It has to be better then the last 8 years of hell.

Jesus said that it would be better to tie a loose around your neck than hurt a little one. Abortion is wrong. My mother lost her babay girl when she was 5 mo with her and she was formed a look like a little doll. The animals protect thier little ones better than humans.

THE MAJORITY of AMERICANS will not be wrong this TIME......Like you were with GW BUSH.

America is going to strive and reclaim her status as REVERED...in the World...and for

US TOO.

Cmk said

Hang on to your bootstraps...you get what you vote for...God help us all!

He did, we are out of hell,the rest is up to us.

Hell has just begun.You just elected the anti-Christ and the next four years will go like this ;

Freedom of speech    gone

Right to own a gun    gone

The Constitution         gone

Presidential term limit   gone

entrepeneurism           gone

America                         gone

Stupid Americans         more and more apparently...

How do you figure this, Max?  What a fool you are.

Max, the anti-abortionists, anti-gay rights, and anti-anyone's rights have already begun to change the Constitution.  Pretty soon they will begin a campaign to ban anyone with the name of Max.  Then what will you do?

LS,

i come to the same conclusion as max based on 1) the inlaws having survived germany in the 30s and attending those fun summer camps, they, along with other survivors, are petrified of this man; and, 2) several co-workers and neighbors who escaped the slavery of the ussr are equally frightened by him.

when people who've survived tyranny and slavery say they fear a man or idea, i tend to listen.

Max you are so right.  But I think a lot of idiots are going to reelect him to a second term.  Sure he promises to bring the country together but I think he is going to divided it further and probably won't be liked very much by the end of his second term, maybe even his own party won't like him.  What a joke of a president he is going to be. 

Try not to worry to much, why don't you go and see the newAdam Sandler movie "Little Nicky" that is coming out this Friday, or maybe you should save some money and try to get one of those new PlayStation2 that just came out I hear that they are pretty expensive.

I sure the American people will see through this idiot they just elected and get rid of him on the next election.  Hopefully the newly elected Senator Clinton will gain some experience and be able to run for the presidency in about four years unless they reelect that idiot they just elected and she may have to wait a little longer to run.

Phoenix that was some funny stuff.  I hope more people get it.

MAX TRULY

The only thing that is gone is your head, how can you say all these these  will be gone when  stupid W already took some them away from us

James-472119:

Since you're bringing "Jesus" into the fray, some clarification is in order.

The scripture you're intimating is from Matthew 18:6 "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone should be hung around his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depths of the sea."

In all actuality, Jesus didn't say that. An anonymous third-person author (or authors) of "Matthew" said that Jesus said that, since the attribution of the book to the disciple "Matthew" was made by the church nearly a hundred years after it was written, the same as with the other Gospels. In other words, this "Jesus" might not have said or did anything attributed to him at all since we have no idea where these writings orginiated or who even wrote them.

While it may come as a complete suprise to a majority of the faithful (although this information is clearly stated in most Bibles' Introductions to each of the the four Gospels), it has been known for centuries that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were not written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John. Instead, these are "traditional" names tacked onto anonymously-written works over a hundred years after they were compiled from unknown sources.

This knowledge is not controversial among biblical scholars, although it is deliberately kept from general church-goers. What is controversial is the dubious attempt to assign actual authorship to these anonymous works, and to insert them into historical, social, cultural, and theological context as testimony. Most believers might be shocked to learn that the Gospels were not eyewitness accounts, or even second-hand accounts ('hearsay'), of Jesus' time. Rather, they are contrived products of a complicated theological advocacy created generations after the time described.

"It's important to acknowledge that strictly speaking, the gospels are anonymous, but..." —Dr. Craig Blombery to Lee Strobel, The Case For Christ, page 22

There is no 'but'; the gospels are either anonymous compositions or they are not, and no amount of apologetic sophistry or argument from tradition is going to turn them into eyewitness accounts or first-person accounts or even 'hearsay' accounts once removed. The plain-and-simple truthof the matter (although truth is hardly plain and rarely simple) is that (1) the four Gospels are copies of copies of copies of original documents that (2) no one has actually found, that (3) no one knows who wrote, and (4) were finally 'given names' a hundred years after the fact so as to make them appear authoritative, clearly the products of a biased theological-political agenda.

So, what does all this mean regarding today's elections? Absolutely nothing, and that's the point.

Max

Don't really agree with your comments except for the last one!

Here's hoping he's right about the right to own guns. Guns are for shooting people and things. Private citizens shouldn't be shooting at each other.

Freedom of speech ; The so called "fairness doctrine already in the works by the Socialist idiot Pelosi.

Guns ; Obama has always been anti-gun at least until he started to run for president and Joe Biden has already tried to do away with all rifle ammo.

The Constitution ; Obama said the courts should have ignored the constitution during the civil rights era.He is a Marxist so by definition he is anti-constitution.

Entrepeneurism : The Obama tax plan will punish hard work and success by redistribution of the wealth.So people will slow their work,which means layoffs or move offshore because there will no longer be incentive to make more than Obama thinks they should.

America ; There is no America without the constitution.The constitution is why this young country only 200 years old grew stronger and better than the countries that have been around for thousands of years(think about that for a minute if your able).That and the fact it was founded as a Judeo Christian country.

Presidential Term Limit ; With complete Democrat control and a president thought of by his sheep to be the Messiah this is highly possible.This one is the only one I am not sure about.But I can see the possiblility.

And as far as more and more stupid people ; Obama was voted in by college kids that know way more about beer bongs than they do politics and racist blacks.Nuff said!

oh Max...if you take things out of context you can manipulate and mislead,Did you work in the Bush Administration

Max - it is scary to think about losing all those freedoms isn't it? Imagine not being able to speak freely, own a gun for protection of yourself and your family. But take that a little further...how scary would it be if to rape and torture a person was ok as long as they were of a certain class? How scary would it be if you were not allowed to start a business, or speak or look at anyone in a higher pay grade than you? How scary would it be if you were murdered and hung in town for all to see just for the color of your skin? Oh all that happened already....good thing things have changed huh? Now you know what black people went through for years-sucks doesn't it? Hang in there guy things won't get that bad for you...

I agree - hang on people it's going to be a wild ride. 

This is all bigger than you and I.  I've lost all faith in humanity in this country.  You voted in a person with no experience to bring us out of the mess that has been created for more than 8 years.  Wow, that's really smart thinking on your part!

Oh well, you voted him in and you'll have to live with it so don't bitch when it all falls apart.

lilegend; Ahh yes the Revenge Vote. Do you know any slaves or slave owners? Where did you dig them up? Color Blind ... I think not.

Lexi, It's going to be a wild ride alright, rather like bungee jumping ... one way to go off a cliff. Great for contortionists,  they can grab their ankles and kiss their @$$ goodbye.

Barnum & Bailey has nothing on Washington past administrations and now future. Ventriloquists with more than a trunk load of Dummies, Contortionists, Clowns in suits with brief cases, A house full of monkeys and spitting camels spewing fire. Grab a bag of nuts and enjoy the show.

Oh yes, the admission fee: Your hard earned taxes. Exception, the free loaders that don't pay them. No senior discounts, they are being replaced by illegals benefits.

Yes my fellow taxpayers the egle is ill he has diarherah. Grab your ear flap hat and goloshes, there's going to be S%#T storm.

Barack hussein is president......ALLAH help us all....

Chargerguy, Obama is the first intelligent man to win in the last eight years.  A wonderful day has dawned, the majority of the people in this country have chosen the right man for the job of repairing the mess the last administration has made of this country. We  see past racial boundaries to the dignified, capable man who will be President Barak Obama.

You people are calling the President everything but a child of Allah.

Yep, I have been hanging on to mine since 2000.

52% will get what they voted for, the rest of us are stuck with this mess............

People, Allah is just another word for God. You might as well use the words Jehova or Yaweh in a negative context.

WHo used it negatively.?...amazing...some one uses Baracks middle name....Liberals think its an insult...some uses the term Allah..Liberals think its an insult.....

you liberal should be more tolerant

Mad one - it's ok really i mean we put up with the mess for years...now it's time for your side to complain....you had 8 years, give us this 4....after all it's not our fault you lost....your real gripe is with your fellow republicans whom you have seem to lose, they voted against you....says a lot about the party doesn't it

You guys understand that Allah is just arabic for "God," right, and that muslims who speak English as their first language just call him God, not Allah?

We will need to talk again in 4 years.  I am not convinced the right man was elected.

Maybe moving my business to another country, like some of my friends said that they are doing now. Sorry we must protect our own , with higher taxes we can not afford to stay. So who knows how many jobs will be lost.

Yes John, in fact, it was a great speech.  He is a good sport, and he truly loves America.

I have to say though, I live in AZ and sadly the Gay Marriage Issue was too much for the narrow minded voters.  They refuse to accept change.  We have to live with it for now.  It's official.

Way to go Big O #44!

You GO James!!!!!!! You Go!!!

Aww james, do you really think Canada and Mexico need more unlicensed plumbers?

Awww davefromphilly, you should know, you seem to be full of it.

See ya, James!

We certainly have a new President and the tone has been set by the last 2 years,  we now know a long campaign that undermines the administration works, the lesson has been learned and I suspect we will endure more of the same.  Some might say, myself included that paralysis of the government saves the citizens from our elected officials and their big ideas for expanding control of our lives, others would disagree.  I am seeing a divided electorate that will howl like they always do as partisan politics will survive, the reassessment is already beginning, campaign promises give way to reality and reality usually isnt as pretty. 

Before all you socialists break your arms patting each other on the back, remember this: 47% of the country voted for McCain.  I know you are all excited about collecting an even bigger welfare check.  More money for even doing less for this country.  Now you have no more excuses about The Man holding you down.  Get off your crack head butts and get a job! 

YOU Forgot HUSSEIN in your Speech.  I will NEVER support a Socialist, Terrorist for President.  I'll just refer to him as COMRADE.

"Before all you socialists break your arms patting each other on the back, remember this: 47% of the country voted for McCain.  I know you are all excited about collecting an even bigger welfare check.  More money for even doing less for this country.  Now you have no more excuses about The Man holding you down.  Get off your crack head butts and get a job!"

I work as an accountant at a banking software corporation and I voted for Obama and most of the young professionals at the office did too.  Obama won huge in states with low populations of urban blacks and even urban whites.  Conversely, Obama lost big in states where there are very high numbers of blacks on welfare (Mississippi and Alabama for instance).     How can you reconcile these facts with your ideology?

So far, with the Republicans at the helm,  the only thing we have been sacrificing is our children's and grand-children's money...Who said we don't redistribute wealth!!!

This is not the Bush economy this is the Democrat Congress economy.It can only get worse from here.You sold out your country.

Since I was a child I was hearing about the national debt.  Not one president has done anything to lower it but add to it....so you think the democrates are going to lower it...yeah right.  We are going to be taxed so heavily the only people left in society will be the poor and the rich.  Say good-bye to the middle class.

i am so glad you said that.not many people speak up for those who are unable tospeak for themselves.god bless you for speaking the truth!!

Wow, your sarcasm is subtle.

Pro-choice does not mean pro-death, rosie.  No one likes abortion, not even pro-choicers.  It just so happens that we don't want girls having them in back allies, leading to more tragedy.

Go Away!!!  No one is "Pro Abortion" Get a grip and get down off you self righteous pedistal.

HOW CAN YOU KILL SOMEONE LIKE THIS?

At Eighteen Weeks

The fetus is now about 5 inches long. The child blinks, grasps, and moves her mouth. Hair grows on the head and body.

20 weeks: The child can hear and recognize mother's voice. Though still small and fragile, the baby is growing rapidly and could possibly survive if born at this stage. Fingernails and fingerprints appear. Sex organs are visible. Using an ultrasound device, the doctor can tell if the child is a girl or a boy.

A fetus is just that - it can not live without the host body (mother).  It would only be possible with some kind of medical assistance for it to survive outside the womb, but with risks and most likely complications.

Let's face facts - abortions will happen, regardless if they are considered legal or not.  I would much rather have a woman be allowed the freedom and choice be made legally than for her to take her chances with a potentially flawed illegal method. Do I think all abortions are OK? No, but there are at least three instances that I think are justified - those that save the pregnant woman's life, underage pregnancies, and those from rape. Other than those, the baby, if not wanted, or cannot be cared for should then go up for adoption.

A back alley abortion would be a choice.If you make that choice you may die.Again personal responsibility.Abortion is murder under any circumstance.

 If someone wants to paint babies as parasites, lets do that. From the stand point they would not be "viable outside the womb, they are also invalid after being born. When calves are born thay can stand after a few minutes, move to and find a teat to drink, and run from danger. A human child lays there and cries. Human children are incapable of taking care of themselves for the first year or so. Is it OK to abort them after birth because they can't do things for themselves??

sure as long as we have abortion as the frontline for birth control we feel good about ourselves because "its our right"! i can abort and i vote! you go girl.

really all these abortions being carried out in back alleys, wow, are these back alley abortion doctors listed on craigslist or what? reality is there are many ways for a child to enter this world safely, lets stop condoning this life changing experience for the mother and life ending for her child so you so called progressives can feel righteous about your guilt.

Start be teaching at home,legislate morality at home...... no abortion, marriage, sex before marriage (Sarah Palin can help you on this one) but do not federally legislate the country's morality.

My daughter was taught moralality at home but made a mistake at 15.Now I have a beautiful Granddaughter instead of a mentally scarred Daughter.

Abortion is murder under any circumstance.And Roe vs Wade is made up law that is not in the constitution and should be overturned.

Privacy about what I do period! Is in the Constitution........Move on.

maxtruly, been there, same result. thanks for that. there is a groundswell of morality out here people dont give in on your beliefs because some claim to be so "enlightened" God forgive us.

What is wrong with people today... If a woman chooses to have an abortion across the country, what impact does it have on any of you, whatsoever? NONE! Everyone on here is acting like the #1 reason women have abortions is "just because". Are you people really that blind to what the real issues are here? Most women abort because the pregnancy is not viable or there are deformations with the fetus. Maybe some of you are willing to bring a life into this world that will be completely incapable of having a normal life just so you can have a baby, but others are not that selfish and actually think about the life a child with such affliction would be like and choose to humanely end it before it begins. THAT IS THEIR CHOICE not yours, or the govt's. I am glad that choice is available for those that need it. And Max, you should not be proud of yourself for making your baby have a baby. Your daughter isn't even old enough to vote or buy cigarettes, and was still probably under the legal age to have consensual sex! Don't paint this happy go lucky picture that everything is happy at happy house. That girl cannot afford to care for that child so either YOU are doing it, or the state is, or both. Either way, your daughter is not taking full responibility of that child.

Max-- all law, even the Constitution, is "made up law", a product of the human society of the times.

Roe v. Wade is not a law in any case-- it was a Supreme Court decision stating that the then-current Texas restrictions against abortion were unconstitutional, and infringed on the woman's right to privacy under the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The decision is readily available online, and though dry and dull reading in many places (as only legal boilerplate can be), outlines the historical background and relevant legislation that the court employed to come to their decision.

I often wonder how many of the people involved in this issue have actually bothered to read through the document, and what their take on some of the particulars would be. Especially relevant to the current debate is the notion of "quickening", which has a long history in the common-law system which forms the basis for most of our American jurisprudence.

WmRAllen....save your breath.

JECD-- I admit that it sometimes appears like the labor of Sisyphus, to try to get people to stop and consider different aspects of the issues-- or even to consider any aspects of the issues that may touch on their belief systems.

But if even one person goes out and thinks, or reads what I've written, then I won't consider it wasted effort. It doesn't even have to be Max, and I don't need to know about it-- just the thought that it is possible is enough.

Freedom to choose. I have one more slant. We try to stop people from commiting suicide, Hell, it is their body, why should we care. Should helmets be required on motorcycles? It is MY head, should be MY choice. Seat belts are the same way, my wearing one (or not) does not make you safer in an oncoming car. Now try to tell me they save lives. Stopping abortion would save lives too. We all want choices. We have morality laws all over the place, repeal one, repeal them all.

Luridmoon.

IT is Muder. If someone chose to kill someone else thousands of miles away that you don't know, how does that sffect you? IT DOESN"T, but it is still wrong. Do you propose we let murderers loose to?

INterssssssting rhetoric....Falls flat...

James...relax....I do not think you have to ahve an abortion if you do not want one...You can't any.

Abortion will never be illegal in this country.  The topic comes up on every republican platform even though they have no intention of doing anything about it.  It is just to get the religious right wing of the party all riled up so they will vote.   The majority of Americans do not want abortion to become illegal.   

WmRAllen; The Constitution is the beginning of all law in America.It is not a living document like the liberals and Marxist(Obama) believe.

There is no right to privacy in the constitution!Activist judges created a privacy that does not exist in the constitution to make this decision.

Luridmoon; First of all when someone chooses to kill a baby,they devalue life.That is why now murder is so prevelent (especially in liberal run cities).

My daughter is 23 years old and has cared for her daughter who is the love of her life now for 7 years most of those years on her own. Of course we helped because we walk the walk.The real point here is that an abortion would have killed my beautiful,smart,happy,and most importantly living granddaughter.

You see you don't understand people like us.I have offered time after time to adopt babies of young girls who made a mistake.All of them have chosen to keep their babies and are very happy they have.If they need help I am happy to give it because I don't want anything from the government but what the constitution directs they supply.Which is basically Freedom from government.

And I don't know where you get your information on abortion(I'm guessing Planned Parenthood) but it is absolutely wrong.Abortion is 98% birth control and anybody who tells you different is lying to you.

Max, your anguish must be enormous.  You love life so much how to you face the day knowing about genocides around the world and how your own country tortured and murdered American Indians, slaves and most recently innocent middle eastern people in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Okay, seriously, I am happy that you are actually involved in reducing the number of abortions, but you're wrong if you think you have any standing to legislate what a woman does with her body.  Freedom from government, you say.  Well, freedom from the likes of you who would have government make your personal morality a law to restrict my right to live my life with my own values and moral decisions.

I am so tired of people spouting b.s. "abortion is 98% birth control" and claiming that anyone who has research to the contrary is a liar.  McCain and Palin wore out this "lie" argument.

Just, really, mind your own business.  The amount of time some people spend tearing their hair out over other women's medical concerns is stupid.

icstars. So the next time someone goes on a shooting spree, we should just let them walk and mind our own business?

Just because other injustices are going on around the world(which obviously you liberals don't want to do anything about  i.e. Saddam) does not mean we should forget about this happening in OUR country. We can't just stand by and let murder happen when we can stop it.

and yes some of our ancestors murdered indians and had slaves. But some didn't. And some were those indians and slaves. Everyone has ancestors that did bad things. every country has done bad things. And we are fighting terrorists in the middle east. some innocent people have probably died, but when does that not happen in wars?

Whoa James...calm now.

Funny your little statement, "I can vote and I can get an abortion!"  I would never get an abortion, by the way.  I am personally against them myself.  Just because I am a pro-choice woman (I'm guessing you inferred) doesn't mean I'd get one myself.   You being a pro-life male doesn't make you a sexist compassion-lacking person either.  Let's drop the vitriol and stereotypes, shall we?

I would never get one...but I am not going to deny an abortion from someone else because I am personally against them.  HER body and life are involved too...2 lives are at stake here.

People can debate abortions for years and years, and never come to a consensus or even an understanding on the issue.  I understand your passion on this issue.  While we agree on what people ought to do, we disagree on whether we should LET them do it.  I'm no moral authority.  I don't believe we should legislate what a person must endure, and must pass through her body.

I do wonder, if abortions were to be outlawed, would you be in favor of supporting all born unwanted children with your tax dollars?  Welfare, that is.

Max-- the laws of this country are derived from many sources-- English Common Law, Spanish colonial law, Enlightenment philosophy, &c. The Constitution is the document that defines what we as a country stand for, and serves as a touchstone against which to judge all other particularities.

Literalist interpretations of the Constitution are unsatisfactory in my view, since they are unevenly applied on a case-by-case basis (many Second Amendment rights activists cheerfully tell me that the modifying phrase "A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state" quote, "Doesn't really matter" unquote), and because I believe if the authors wished us to be ruled by the "dead hand" of their own judgement for all eternity, they would not have included within the document itself a method for changing it.

The right and expectation of privacy is not written into the Constitution verbatim, true. But the right and expectation of people to not have the government interfere in their personal lives is (freedom of expression, no quartering of soldiers without consent, security against unreasonable searches). If you disagree with the right to privacy under the due process clause, then perhaps we should construct an argument around the Fourth Amendment-- dictating what people can and cannot do with their own body parts as an unreasonable search and seizure.

(To the rest of the board-- my apologies for the mental image...)

"Activist judges" is an empty term, especially in the denotative aspect that you seem to be using. There are as many examples of decisions made from the standpoint of the right-wing ideology as the left, and we would be better served as a country if we keep in mind that judges, like any other people, have their own standpoint and do indeed allow it to color their judgement at times. Neither side has a monopoly on this.

I agree, well said. 

The promise of what? I don't feel like helping anyone flush this country down the toilet, so you can count me out.  I do hope and pray that God does bless America, but I don't think that has happened today.  :(

Same party that is RHINO party so what. Olive off, suck eggs what ever. People make mistakes and when the system burps up to tomatoes like it did in 2008 well so what if more than half of America is happy. They all have to deal with the mess made by their congress and Senate and 50 trillion dollar unfunded liabilities.

Bring on the change. My pass port is good for another 5 years too just incase I get asked to wear my underwear on the outside too! (see woody allen bananas for ref)

old vet maybe so, but is the work of your hands going to be a blessing to others, or is it just to gain recognition for yourself?

Agreed. McCain gave a moving speech, and I actually warmed to him. Palin, on the other hand, had her usual smirk on her face, and I will NEVER warm to that incompetent pitbull, She is nothing more than a rabble rouser.

Partisans never quit hating the other side and the 2 party's have made partisanship an art form.  Look at the posts here the winners hate the losers and the losers hate the winners.  The followers of the establishment, through the 2 party's are incapable of reform and unity, they are tied into the politics of hate, resentment and division.  If they read this post they will only blame the other side in true partisan tradition, its not me its them, right?  Wrong, its both of you!  We are stuck with this dysfunctional government because the fools that support this convoluted system refuse to look outside of the establishment that benefits from this toxic atmosphere.  The President elect has his work cut out for him and his supporters are just a great an impediment as his detractors, partisan politics are alive and well and the country suffers as always, where is the change??

 there are things we can do, lets do it. try to find solutions, not problems, im not happy with the out come but i will try and support the man that leads our country. lets get busy and get out of our own way, help others, go on mission trips, volunteer in your community, thanksgiving is here spend time at your vets halls, get out of yourselves and try to make a difference. you might find some peace in your actions to help others. we arent isreal/ palestine (yet) give it away. might sound idealistic, but whats our alternative? blogging our frustration behind our little walls?my life is so rewarding when its about others and not me, thats my two cents.

As I said to someone earlier.  We will need to talk again in 4 years. I don't have your optomism.

jesingray,

We really don't want to see all that sickness. It is not normal to lay with the same sex.

we will have our time, before we get our marriage, we must fight all the other iggnorance thats stronger than marriage, like the ban in Arkansaw, this only suffers the children in state custody, they need homes...not take them away..i wonder how many disruptions there will be now with children that are already placed.

yes JE Arkansas, srry on the other spelling....its in the article..shame isnt it.

how can it be ignorance when you dont approve of same sex marriages. How  can you teach a child to honour his father and mother, when the two  are  of the same sex, so very confusing to the children isnt it?

 I truly do NOT think the gay marraige issue is for the masses to decide. It should be up to the couples involved, I know many gay couples that are far more capable of raising children than many straight couples.

Because the bigots with the "different opinion" want to feel better about their miserable ability to stay married (50% marriage failure rate) by taking away rights of others.   This is a joke.. sanctity of marriage is a myth.    I know many gays raising kids and doing a great job.  All of these losers have done is used their cafateria christianity to take away the rights of 36,000 tax-paying citizens.

jes....you are entitled to your opinion. I am not ignorant becasue I do not approve of same sex marriages. You want to live in Mass....fine, do it. At least my State of Florida said no to this and I'll be damned if you call me ignorant becasue of it. If you think there is something loving, not perverted, about a man sticking his penis up anothers butt....well you appear to me to be ignorant. Please stay home.

Right On!! jw!! Congratulations to Florida and Arizona!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank God!!!

Likity Split

USA...AMEN!!!! I am so sick of their crap.

James, why are you visualizing gay people having sex?  Why does anyone care what other people are doing in the privacy of their own bedrooms?  You who are so hysterically opposed to gay marriage are really perverted in your obsessions.

Marriage, like Christmas, is secular now.  Gay people should have the right to marry in this country.  It's really simple as that.  Did we learn nothing from the civil right movement, or are we so dense that 40 years wasn't enough time for concepts like equality to sink in?

CORRECTION: You are all ignorant and/or bigoted if you are against gay marriage. 

IGNORANT if you believe same-sex marriage will corrupt children.  Science says otherwise. Check out statements from American Psychiatric Society and the American Psychological Society about same-sex marriage and research on it.

BIGOTED if you're willing to prohibit and lampoon a lifestyle because you don't "like it" and don't want to see it.  Well, that is simple bigotry by definition. Definition: "A bigot is a prejudiced person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own." - Wikipedia 

jw - If you don't like watching sodomy, stay out of other peoples bedrooms. This may shock you, but with all the same-sexed couples marrying here in CA, I haven't seen a single act of public anal sex!  LOL  What did you do after your wedding?! nasty

You know what's perverted?  I brought up marriage, and you gave an explicit description of anal sex...why does your mind jump to that, jw?  You can't even think about marriage without jumping to sex...how perverted is that?!

About the "it's my opinion...why does that make me a bigot, or intollerant?"  People who think blacks and whites should live separately also have an "opinion," and like yours, it's a bigoted and ignorant one.  Yes, jw...be damned. 

Own your ignorance and/or bigotry folks. As for the ignorant, I don't think it's your fault.  You've been misled by media and shameful church leaders.  The truth just needs to get out, and when you hear it, you'll change your minds (unless you're an ignorant bigot).

jes...you got it wrong....you are the damned one.

JES

RIGHT ON!!

Where do you get your information, James?  YouTube? or Fox?

Every person has the right to a fair trial. Just because someone is suspected of something does not make them guilty. The vast majority of "terrorist suspects" that were retained in those prisons are released without charges. That is, after their arrest is plastered all over the front pages of all the corporate controlled media for all of us to see.

From what I gather from your comment, it seems that you are in agreeance with the Patriot Act, which can be enforced on US citizens under the suspicion of being a "terrorist"... Sick, sad, world.

Luridmoon-I agree that the Patriot Act is BS and should be repealed. However, if you're caught on the battlefield killing Americans, you do not have the same right that other Americans have-Sorry!! Definitely not during a time of war.

James you are hysterical take a nap

Sheila,

You know you are right.  But I ask you will God judge you for your actions are will he judge someone else. You must stand before God for what you have done, not for what someone else. 

sheila How can lesbians or homosexuals be christians. first of a christian believes that Christ died for their sins, and therefore looks to Christ to keep him/her in His love and free from sin. As Christ was tempted the same as us, but He overcame and gave His life so that we could walk in newness of life, no longer after the lust of the flesh. So anyone who goes against the will of the Father are they not mocking Christ's sacrifice?

I agree with Sheila about gay marriage. People should have the freedom to make their own choices. If someone wants to be gay, what do I care? It's not any of my business. And as far as raising kids, it all depends on the person. There are straight families that raise kids in terrible enviroments. And I'm sure that there are some gay people who would too. And then on the other side there are straight and gay couples that are awesome parents. People are just way too involved in every other persons life. Mind your own business, and let people live their lives in peace.

As far as abortion goes...once again it's all up to the individual. If I were to be raped...why should I carry that a$$holes baby. I didn't choose for that to happen. These issues are never just black and white. There is always a gray area where exceptions should be made.

Basically what I'm trying to say is...MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!! And leave people alone already. Land of the free? Yeah right!!

Here, here! Well said. A truly enlightened person of faith!

Shelia - first of all, there is no such thing as a gay Christian.  They may think they are a christian, but they aren't.  A Christian is someone who is Christ like.  In the bible, the word of god condemns gay relations.  Doesn't mean the person is not significant, the act is sin, just like lying, stealing and cheating.  We are to love the sinner and not the sin.  A Gay Christian takes out the parts in the bible that condemns their lifestyle, therefore, as it says in the bible, those who take away from the bible will be condemned.  So Shelia, that's why Christians don't believe that it is right and care about our country and our children not growing up accepting of this perversion.

Abortion - why does everyone have to talk about abortion and rape.  Does anyone know that statistics on how many raped women actually get pregnant?  According to my research, in 2004-2005, 64,080 women were raped. According to medical reports, the incidence of pregnancy for one-time unprotected sexual intercourse is 5%. By applying the pregnancy rate to 64,080 women, it is estimated that there were 3,204 pregnancies as a result of rape during that period.  So, what about the other millions of babies that are killed in a year?  Not due to rape, but because they were stupid and didn't use protection.  It's MURDER and judgment will fall because we are killing millions of innocent children because people cant keep their pants up. 

God have mercy on this perverted nation!

millions?  what? c'mon. Lets be serious. 

"I agree with Sheila about gay marriage. People should have the freedom to make their own choices. If someone wants to be gay, what do I care?"

I appreciate the sentiment but gays and lesbians do not WANT TO BE gay and lesbian. That's what we ARE. No one chooses their sexual orientation. If you're straight, did you consciously decide at some point that you were going to be attracted to the opposite sex? That isn't how it works. Religious fanatics and others claim that gay issues have nothing to do with civil rights because we have a "choice". Bull. My orientation is no different than a black man's skin color, in terms of choosing and changing. I could argue that a black person could avoid race-related problems by having his skin lightened or by wearing gloves and a bag over his head, How freaking insulting and foolish would that be? And yet I'm told that I "choose" my orientation and that it could be "changed" with therapy. Am not meaning to sound like I'm upset with you - I'm not - just that "choice" has nothing to do with it. I don't want the freedom to choose. I want the freedom to BE.

It's amazing what you wrote here and nobody has responded.  Interesting huh? 

I commend you for being so forthright and honest about your decision to abort and what was taken from you as a woman.  We need to be totally informed when it comes to abortion and it's alternatives.

I have a feeling that if any woman who was pregnant (and unsure about it) was asked the same questions you were asked at PP, almost all of them would abort.  Not very many women out there are ready for a baby.  But, they also don't know the other options. 

Where I live we have a Pregnancy Center and a Planned Parenthood.  The Planned Parenthood gives the abortions, and the Pregnancy Center gives all the other options (adoption and keeping the baby with the resources to do so, and shows an ultrasound).  Kinda sucks.  Too bad that women weren't given all the information in one place - detailed information.

Touching story, and one that should be told.  If abortion is legal because America has concern for the woman, than the woman should be better cared for.  Period.  That is ridiculous what happened to you...shameful.

touching story, I think the what Regan did with the GAG law in the eighties, forced clinics to take control of these situations instead of the council of physicians.  A physician is obligated to tell you everything about your procedure while a clinic doesn't have to. 

well said, no information = no choice. 

 A patient's autonomy should always be protected, we have to give good HONEST informative council to women, let them know ALL the choices, then let them decide.

it is ok..it is coherent , readable and not hysterical..Refreshing

helen, I agree. No problem with long posts as long as they're not the incoherent ravings of a lunatic! :)

Okay, I'm for education (I research everything before making choices--my current kick is home improvements), but it bothers me when people threaten that women should be forced to look at or consider anything specific before making a decision about abortion.  I imagine most women are anguishing over the decision already, and they aren't going to a clinic just to "try out" the idea of an abortion.  They already know they need to have one and don't need to be tortured with pictures of what is growing inside of them.  Think about what you're suggesting.  A woman with an ectopic pregnancy, so happy to be pregnant, has to look at the picture of the would-be baby that she so despirately wants, but has to kill before it kills her.  This is not fantasy; the ectopic pregnancy happened to my friend.  Thank goodness her doctor didn't have to underscore her loss with an ultrasound and pictures; she'd probably still be in therapy.

I know people want to cut down on the number of abortions, and we should all wish that everyone who has one is informed and has no regrets afterwards.  You can't legislate it, though.  What kind of horror show does life become?  Before you light up that cigarette, look at these diseased lungs.  Before you get married, look at these pictures of domestic violence.  Before you drink that beer, look at this car accident.

My opinion--abortion should be legal, and women should have access to as much information as they wish prior to the procedure.  They can be asked if they need more information, but that's as much as I would absolutely require.

I don't think a woman should be tortured with pictures but give her the choice of seeing it. All options should be given to her.   Sometimes someone dosen't know what else is out there, its a confusing time and a good well trained support council can help her make the BEST choice for herself.

lolol

It may hurt now for us Republicans but all of the mindless democrats who are being blindly herded by Obama will see the light when this country goes right down the liberal toilet.  Seriously, how do you justify voting for a man who thinks it is okay for babies born after a botched abortion to be left to die? Or, voting for a man who has long lasting relationships with men who blow up Americans and 'God Damn' America?  Or vote for a man who can never admit a wrong or a mistake and who talks out both sides of his mouth.  Just wait and see- you too will be hurt in more ways that one but what you and every other voter did when they cast a vote for Obama. 

Gosh, I've waited through 8 years of neo-con hell for this, and after reading some of the hateful remarks above, I couldn't care less if anyone's panties are bunched.

I must say though...it's gotta hurt that the dems took the presidency (by a LANDSLIDE) and the house and senate all in one day.  LOL

Sign stealers are your big complaint?

Well, if you want marriage to be limited to only select Americans, then you should be campaigning to have any benefits you get from the government for being married to be taken away.  One way or the other, John.

Notice that the younger voters opposed the gay marriage ban 2 to 1. As the old fogies die off, the ban will be overturned state by state. The gay marriage ban will go the way of the inter-racial marriage bans of the past. 

amen rob-bot!

You said it.  Yes, let's not give children in need to a loving couple just because they are not married or gay.  No wonder people go out of this country to adopt.  Our laws must be changed concerning adoption. Give children in need a loving home....one parent, two parents, unmarried parents, or gay....it just doesn't matter as long as they are loved!

This is a very slippery slope that you are on.  There is a reason why there is a clear separation of church and state in the Constitution.

The arguments against gay marriage are purely religious ones.  When the views of any single religion dictates the rights of the citizens it can be argued to be unconstitutional. 

Equally, the same right to privacy argument on which Rowe v Wade is based can be applied to marriage.

Once there are more thoughtful, moderate and less-political appointees to the Supreme Court, this issue will be addressed and all these state amendments banning such right will be struck down.  That doesn't mean gay marriage will be legalized because that is still a state issue, but banning it will be.

The reasoning behind the vote does not matter. I voted for 8 because I did not like that judges overruled the will of the people. That is not a religious reason, it is a legal one. That is why that the majority of the people I know who voted for 8 did so. If it had been passed by the people, then we would have had no problem. We live in a country based on majority rule, we vote for what we want and then we live with the result, be it good or bad.

no, we live in a country where we are protected by the rights given by the Constitution; that all individuals have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And is marriage not the very pursuit of happiness? To have a house, a family. In fact, is that not the American dream? Our constitution protects those who are NOT the majority. It should never be a "majority" issue; it is merely a civil rights issue. If we went off majority, we'd still have slavery and/or segregation.