Brain scans of teens with a history of aggressive bullying behavior suggest that they may actually get pleasure out of seeing someone else in pain, U.S. researchers said.
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They needed a study to confirm this?
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..stuffed in lockers by guys like you??? These people think they are impressing themselves, and in other cases impressing their cohorts.
They think causing mahem is OK. Why do the right thing? Why be "normal"??Too boring for them to handle so they resort to violence.
Yes, they get a kick out of it,
Why have a study? To get research money, of course.
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Because he thought it was good sport. Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.
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yeah, I'm actually getting tired of the studies posted by this service. I got DUH, too. Like what finally got your brain to work dumb*ss? God if this is the scientific standard in our world, no WONDER the U.S. is behind.
My question is there a sexual component to this and the naturally following question is should bullies be treated as any common sexual predator and subjected to the same social limits and penalties as child molesters, rapists and other sexual predators. Also, does this finding hold true for females as well.
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Hmmmmm...well, alienation would be one path....what other option would you suggest?
You are one twisted character. It's ok to have sex with children because you "asked", and they supposedly have "fully developed genetalia from birth"? Rape is really just a release of sexual tension and the solution is to have females put out?
Man you are one sick puppy.
Lerianis.....I hope to god you're just trying to rile people up....
But I do have to correct you on one thing: rape is not about sex. Rape is about inflicting pain, and causing terror in the victim. It's not "losers that aren't getting any" who are raping women, it's sociopaths who like to inflict pain, terror, and misery on people...men or women.
As for pedophiles (who are sexual predators, no matter how you try to spin it, children cannot consent to sex).....well, they should all just be executed slowly to rid the world of their type of filth.
I hope to god you're not going around raping little girls or boys, thinking you're not hurting them. If you are, I hope you get what is coming to you: a slow and very painful death, very, very soon.
Lerianis needs to be either physically or chemically castrated and institutionalized for the rest of their life to protect the rest of society. Very ill creature; I would not go so far as to call Larianis human......
well, in Lerianis defense (in his line of thinking), would you consider someone who sleeps with a 16 year old with the same animosity as someone who sleeps with a 10 year old? There's obvious sexual consent that can be regarded as the person goes from their mid-teens and up, but sexual activity has been known to fluctuate to younger and younger ages.
So, I guess the question is, where is the line drawn on monsterous, vile pedophilia?
Honestly, I think it has a lot to do with 1: consent and 2: the development of secondary sexual characteristics. It also has to do with the age difference between partners. A 10 year old sleeping with another 10 year old, or even a 12 year old, while disturbing, would not be considered pedophilia, since the neither of the partners have undergone puberty. Pedophilia is a diagnosable psychiatric disorder (not a sexual orientation) in which an adult has either acted on or experienced intense sexual urges towards prepubescent children.
Interestingly enough, some children who have been sexually abused begin to display sexualized behaviour...makes me wonder whether Lerianis was abused as a very young child and this was his way of dealing with it.
And Lerianis -- I was sexually abused as a young child, and I will tell you that I was not asked, did not enjoy it, and it didn't take a shrink for me to know that it was wrong, and damaging. I will never be the same because of that bastard, and he used logic very much like yours when he was at trial: he said that I seduced him. At the time he abused me, I didn't even know what sex was. Now I can't have healthy sex with someone I love, because that bastard's face crosses my mind and I feel sick.
There is a simple solution to bullying,it's called bully beating.A group of bully beaters,guys who do not like bully's, seeks out a bully and treats him to some of his own medicine.In simple terms,they beat the hell out of him.A simple and effective cure. What is so difficult about this.
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Well Said TOM! that's the cure. These friggin little losers need a beat down not meds. CThe P-correct a-holes will differ. ughh...
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I work with a teen who gets the same pleasure from bullying her brother. And its clear to me that she does this simply because for a moment she gets a momentary feeling of gratification that someone is in more pain than here. It gives her a sense of relief. And to do this one has to be in great pain. We are living in time where we can show children how to take responsibility for there feelings instead of inflicting there pain on others. That time is over.
Their next study will show that staring directly at the sun MAY cause blindness.
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Bullies may get kick out of seeing others in pain
No @!$%# sherlock???
So I like sex because it feels good, and food because I'm hungry?
Never thought of that...
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i like tom's idea. because anyone who has gone thru junior high or hs knows there are people who love to pick on weaker kids. until the weaker kid...hopefully...beats the crap out of the bully. who then looks for an easier target. the only thing is...the beating (of the bully) has to be extreme enough that he doesn't even CONSIDER revenge.
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I got my ass kicked all the way thru Jr High by the ‘bully’ while two of his buddies watched at least twice a month. The last fight I ever lost was the first I fought back in. I was an easy target, dork all the way and S/K knew it. The last time he picked on me was in the middle of a ball field as I cut thru on the way home from school. A couple of pushes and punches into the incident and I hauled off and hit him square in the face. His ‘buddies’ proceed to kick the @!$%# out me from that point on and I got at least on shot in on both but they never bothered me again, or did anyone else who witnessed it. I still have a tooth missing in the back of my mouth from that fight over 30 years ago.
Point is, you can’t make yourself a target. You need to teach your kids to defend themselves. Not because they want to….it’s because they HAVE to. Teach them how to fight FAIR not get a bunch of his buddies and beat on him. That is for cowards and no better than the bullies. My father taught me early on to defend myself. If I didn’t, he would not come to my defense in a fair fight unless I did. It is the same thing I have said to my boys...make an attempt to defend yourself or you are on your own. Defending yourself is the base for your self-esteem. You cannot be told you have it. You need to face adversity, not be shield by the politically correct “zero tolerance methods” all thru your childhood. All this utopian horsesh1t regarding being ‘bullied’ that they feed kids in school don’t work except in fantasy land and frankly makes me sick. Aggressive conduct disorder….WTF is that? All they need is a good ass kicking by someone their own size….problem solved.
Oh and BTW, anyone who thinks that ‘cyber-bulling’ or name calling is just as hurtful has never been kicked repeatedly while lying on the ground. “Johnny called me douche bag”…”Katy told the whole football team I was fat”…”I wish I was never born”! Really….that’s it? Man, I would give anything for that, at least I would still have all my teeth. That thinking is for pussies, I would know, I used to be one. Believe me, I have been called plenty, and it isn’t anything compared to a good azz whooping. If I had to choose….I take the name calling in a second.
A lot of things in this world are complicated and some are black and white. This is the later…fight or flight….which will it be?
Well duh...MSNBC News you just go to the front of the class with this breathtaking revelation! I mean this "story" is so mind boggling that I just can`t stand it.You folks in the media have really out done yourselves this time! Of course the little sods like to inflict pain and degradation because their little pea brains are hardwired for every sort of deviant behavior that it is possible for the human animal to perpetrate especially when they are too young and feeble minded to know better.Some kiddies are just naturally hell bent...the prisons are full of them!
Coulda told them this 45+ years ago when my classmate Nancy - who was as big as a Mack Truck in 3rd grade - liked to pummel me, the smallest girl in the class. Even a 3rd grader can recoginize the joyful look of a sadistic monster.
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Let me first say that I understand the common sentiment of 'DUH!' However, this type of research is still very, very important.
Lahey, one of the top researchers of conduct disorder in children, has pinpointed the areas of the brain that are responsible for rewarding (and thus encouraging) bullying behavior. Because of this, it may be possible in the future to develop drugs that are known to affect the neurotransmitters relevant to the amygdala and ventral striatum.
Obviously some of you would reply to the last paragraph by stating, "Oh great, just what kids need, yet another drug to turn them into zombies." That would be a very good point. I'm in psychology, not psychiatry, so I definitely prefer cognitive/behavioral therapy to drugs.
However, the research shows that conduct disorder is largely a result of unfortunate genetics and a poor family life. It's hard to treat conduct disorder kids when the real causes of their problems are largely beyond their control. Drug therapy can really, really help in those sorts of situations.
Drugs always have a tendency to be overprescribed in children (more often by family doctors than psychiatrists). I have no doubt that any drugs that are developed as a result of this work will face a similar problem. However, IF the drugs were used properly, they could improve outcomes for millions of children whose lives are ruined by conduct disorder before they ever really even had a chance.
If you read the studies on the longterm outcomes of children with conduct disorder, I feel that most people would readily agree that we should be doing whatever we can to develop new ways to help these kids. Beating the crap out of them isn't going to turn them into productive citizens. Many of these kids get that already at home. It might stop the bullying, but their lives certainly won't improve. What they need are healthy and constructive ways to vent their frustration and anxiety. I would advise everyone here to consider whether an eye for an eye is really preferable to the golden rule.
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No, it's not important at all. It's empty. This sort of nonsense keeps people like you in business, but it doesn't change human nature. Look at what a mess you've made of children with all that ADHD crap. It hasn't improved anything one gnat hair. Oh, sure, the research sez . . . just about anything you want it to say.
The human condition doesn't change, meat. Redefine it all you like, and send it to a scholarly journal. Find some SOMA to prescribe for it. Where do you think it's all leading? Talk about Golden Rule! How'd you like it if some knucklehead determined your behavior pattern was undesirable, and decided to "help" you?
This is not correct. This study demonstrates that bullies receive a physiological reward from their behavior, not that their genetics are involved--in other words, their behavior causes a response. There is no evidence whatsoever that genes are involved in disordered conduct (which is what a "conduct disorder" is, just as a "personality disorder" means that someone has a mess of a personality).
In other words, you have things in reverse--the behavior causes the biological response, not the biology causes the behavior. Treating non-chemical problems with chemicals is never appropriate. The correct response is to change the behavior. Whether or not their home lives are bad (I would be interested in seeing the evidence for this assertion, because I've never seen any such data), children and adolescents can learn empathy and self-control. Simply letting them off the hook by saying "It's biology, here are some meds" will never help them learn to live responsibly.
Perhaps you should have read my post a bit closer. I never once stated that this specific piece of research found a genetic link. I said that research in general supports this finding. Try reading before replying. If you are what you claim to be, then you should happily correct your gross ignorance with the following:
Baker, L.A., Jacobson, K.C., Raine., A., Lozano, D.I., & Bezdjian, S. (2007). Genetic and environmental bases of childhood antisocial behavior: A multi-informant twin study. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 116(2), 219-235.
Or, since you are equally clueless about the impact of family life on behaior (and vice versa) I highly recommend:
Burke, J.D., Pardini, D.A, & Loeber, R. (2008). Reciprocal relationships between parenting behavior and disruptive psychopathology from childhood through adolescence. Journal of Abnormal Child Psychology, 36, 679-692.
I have my doubts however, that you are what you say you are. Either that, or you are lousy at what you do. You really should keep up on your journals, or admit when you're speaking beyond your expertise.
Unfortunately, you have obviously partaken of the clinical psychology (my field as well) Cuckoo Juice that claims chemical and behavioral problems are different. Some psychiatrists play this game of stupidity as well, from the other side of the ball. The fact of the matter is, psychological, biological and sociological factors all interact together to create behavior. Targeting any singular leg of the triad is ignoring the incredible importance of the other two legs. If you were good at what you do, you would know this. I had a firm grasp on this before I even went to grad school. Why don't you?
Try looking up the biopsychosocial model, then get back to me. Judging on your already displayed levels of ignorance, it is truly too much to hope that you know anything about it already.
Ridiculous that they spent time and money on something so obvious. I guess none of the people in this study were victimized by bullies to know that they actually get a power trip over it that feels like an adrenaline rush, just like the mean boss does when yelling and throwing things at his secretary.
When I was young, I was small. I was 5' 8'' and weighed 120. However, I did enjoy fighting. I delivered 3 morning paper routes so I was in good shape. Not every time, but some of the time when I would see a bully picking on somebody, I would start picking on the bully. Many of the times the bully would not even show up after school to fight. I got beat really bad a couple of times, but must of the time the bully would want to know why I was trying to start something with him. I generally always drew blood when I hit. I got stabbed in the eleventh grade by a tackle on the football team. I was put on probation and never fought again in high school. I learned a lot about myself later about why I fought.
This all happened in the 60s, I would have never survived todays world. I pray every day that I survived. I was actually bullying people by setting them up to get beat up.
What I did was wrong.
And this needed study cost how much....
I want to study the effects the wind has on falling leaves, and what emotional effect it has on squirrel's.... Will anyone give me the money to get started?
I was one of those kids who was constantly bullied from about 3rd grade though high school until my family was transferred to another state for my father's job. About 35 years later, I got the opportunity to pull my class back together at the first school for a class reunion and none of my classmates could even remember bullying me. Unlike other classmates who were traumatized for life and have never had a desire to go back for reunions, I was fortunate enough to break away from the nastiness of it all and managed to rebuild my self-esteem. What really needs to be done is for parents to take an interest in their kids to stop problem behavior before it starts. Of course, we know THAT won't happen in most cases so teachers need to include it in their teaching starting on day 1.
I am in the middle of a study right now; on just why French Fried Taters taste sooo good!
(No Taxpayer money is being used in this study.)
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Is this the same as the press when they bully... people when they get up in there face and ask them questions one after another and then they say HEY dont push me like they ought to do a study on that... I seen a reporter the other day do that to a woman that worked at a store... the poor old woman was trying to work but the reporters kept following her around asking questions.... that is bulling
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I agree...I believe in the freedom of the press. But if you stick a mic or camera in my face... that is where freedom of the press has invaded the freedom of my space.
That's also, when it will be time for them to buy a new camera!
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"That's also, when it will be time for them to buy a new camera!"
Either that or go to a proctologist to retrieve the old one.
Answer to the microphone in your face: Read it; it'll say CNN, FOX, 880, whatever. Look at the camera and repetivley say, "I won't speak to [CNN, FOX,...]; they continously lie to their audience!"
Great, now based on the study of these eight boys, we can separate the aggressors from the non-aggressors, put the aggressors in their own school -- one with bars preferrably. We can than project the number of prison beds we will need in the near future -- this should assist in making sure we do not have overcrowding; we can build the jails before we need them. Or, just take the aggressors out of society early on so we will not have to worry later when they commit crimes -- wasn't there a movie that alluded to this premise?
Or how about a "Clockwork Orange" type of therapy. Show them photos of Hillary Clinton nude until they change their ways.
Teaching our children to help those in need, such as the child being bullied, would go a long way toward making this type of behaviour unpalatable to the bully. Try it. I was one who went to the aid of the kids being bullied. Guess what, the bullies left them alone after a confrontation with a peer. They found it wasn't much fun facing the same terrorism that they were dealing to others.
The main problem with bullies is they need to be treated to their own abuse. When I was in school one of my close friends had an accident on his bike with a car that left him "slow" yet he was the same funny great person he had always been and when he was teased by bullies male or female I had his back and it only took me kickin' two people's butts before they realized this was NOT acceptable and eventually became his friends and NO ONE picked on him again. I never considered myself a bully to anyone other than those who bullied and guess what? It worked and I actually had one of them come up to me at our 10 year reunion and thank me for kickin' her butt and showing her a better way. So there is my idea of how to handle it and it didn't cost a dime. Parents need to teach their kids that EVERYONE has the same feelings as they do and if they wouldn't like what their doing done to them in return then its probably not a good idea.
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